RMTs are starting to bother me...

[Bebekurenai]

While it might seem to many of you that we are not combating RMT related activity at camps like Cedarwood and other places, please rest assured that the operations and STF teams are proactively looking into this and performing thorough investigations. And to give you more insight of their investigations, we banned 700 accounts last week, but as you know they keep coming back.

In addition to ongoing STF efforts, we will be setting up countermeasures system wise as we head towards version 2.0. If you happen to notice any suspicious activity in your adventuring, please take a moment and help us out by making an STF report by going here: http://support.na.square-enix.com/co...hp?id=902&la=1

Any countermessure you plan to implement, gathering fatigue, levelling fatigue, item exclusivity etc, will only harm the honest players.

Anything is hackable and RMTable. Any countermessure will get its counter-countermessure from the same RMTs. And in the end it will only be a pain for the players.

Just plain ban them and sorted. Same as botting afk players. No answer to a tell? Sorry mate, you were supposed to be there when you were moving around.
It's so obvious I don't even understand what kind of investigation is needed to prove all this.

[Kraggy]

While it might seem to many of you that we are not combating RMT related activity at camps like Cedarwood and other places, please rest assured that the operations and STF teams are proactively looking into this and performing thorough investigations. And to give you more insight of their investigations, we banned 700 accounts last week, but as you know they keep coming back.

In addition to ongoing STF efforts, we will be setting up countermeasures system wise as we head towards version 2.0. If you happen to notice any suspicious activity in your adventuring, please take a moment and help us out by making an STF report by going here: http://support.na.square-enix.com/co...hp?id=902&la=1

Please, for the love of all that's Holy PROVIDE AN IN-GAME METHOD OF REPORTING TO THE STF.

It's a major PITA to have to log to a web site to make a report .. do I need to remind you that your game crashes when you ALT-TAB out of full-screen mode???!!!??? .. so much so that I expect the vast majority of RMT (and other) activity goes unreported due to your player-hostile reporting mechanism.

[Madcatz]

I don't mind the RMT. Each one of those is another payment that SE really needs to support this game. It's not like they do anything harmful to other players.

The Problem was that RMT really screwed FFXI's economy for those of you remember about 5 years ago when RMT totally messed things up .. of course that was a loooong time ago in FFXI but I havnt been there in a long while .. how is it doing BTW anyone know ?

Hope they catch it before it screws this games economy too

[Seif]

Please, for the love of all that's Holy PROVIDE AN IN-GAME METHOD OF REPORTING TO THE STF.

It's a major PITA to have to log to a web site to make a report .. do I need to remind you that your game crashes when you ALT-TAB out of full-screen mode???!!!??? .. so much so that I expect the vast majority of RMT (and other) activity goes unreported due to your player-hostile reporting mechanism.

This. Maybe just make it an option from when you're cheking an NPC.

[Delsus]

Any countermessure you plan to implement, gathering fatigue, levelling fatigue, item exclusivity etc, will only harm the honest players.

Anything is hackable and RMTable. Any countermessure will get its counter-countermessure from the same RMTs. And in the end it will only be a pain for the players.

Just plain ban them and sorted. Same as botting afk players. No answer to a tell? Sorry mate, you were supposed to be there when you were moving around.
It's so obvious I don't even understand what kind of investigation is needed to prove all this.

Ok you say no investigations are needed, ok I have been mining all day, someone decides to report me for botting, some time later my phone rings when I am half way through a node, I receive a GM tell and can't answer it because I am on the phone, should I be banned for a badly timed phone call or should they investigate?

I am doing leves, decide to stand at camp to eat, someone has seen be doing leves all day, should I be banned?

This is what the investigations avoid it ensures they only ban guilty parties not people who afk'd for a short time in a bad position.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Any countermessure you plan to implement, gathering fatigue, levelling fatigue, item exclusivity etc, will only harm the honest players.

Anything is hackable and RMTable. Any countermessure will get its counter-countermessure from the same RMTs. And in the end it will only be a pain for the players.

Just plain ban them and sorted. Same as botting afk players. No answer to a tell? Sorry mate, you were supposed to be there when you were moving around.
It's so obvious I don't even understand what kind of investigation is needed to prove all this.

Short of catching an individual completely in the act, an investigation is needed.

What Delsus above me has said holds true. And even when he comes back, if his /linkshell chat scrolls the /tell off the screen and he's not too interested in scrolling back to read his /linkshell chat, he's not going to see the /tell either.

How are these players botting? What method/program are they using? Can the method/program be detected? If it can be, which players are logging into the game with this third party program running in the background? How many of these players have been reported? Are all the players with this third party program using it for botting purposes?

i.e. I wouldn't want them banning folks just because they had a Razr gaming mouse, an Xkeys keyboard, a gamepad-keyboard emulator, or used macro programs for non-gaming. Even though there are some individuals that may use this to achieve unattended gameplay, it does not make all individuals using these devices banworthy.

If the individual was using a program where the program's sole purpose was to perform actions in FFXIV, I could see any individual with that program on their machine getting suspended and/or banned without further probing.

"Ban 'em all and let the mods sort 'em out."

[Antipika]

Ok you say no investigations are needed, ok I have been mining all day, someone decides to report me for botting, some time later my phone rings when I am half way through a node, I receive a GM tell and can't answer it because I am on the phone, should I be banned for a badly timed phone call or should they investigate?

I am doing leves, decide to stand at camp to eat, someone has seen be doing leves all day, should I be banned?

This is what the investigations avoid it ensures they only ban guilty parties not people who afk'd for a short time in a bad position.

No one care if you are AFK or on the phone while standing still.

The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

The GM won't supsend you if you are static doing nothing. They're not that stupid. You'll be most likely observed for few minutes, /tell will be sent to you, if you keep on mining or do w/e you're doing without replying, they will send you another /tell. If you keep on going you'll end up jailed and will have to explain why you did not comply. That's how it worked on XI.

Failure to comply to GMs instructions at any given time during your gameplay is a violation of the ToS.

[Churchill]

Anything that is a mini-game, fatigue, or otherwise designed to require more input or slow the process of gathering/crafting only hurts people trying to play the game legitimately.

If you take a look at FFXI's fishing minigame, it primarily served to force anyone who was a fisher to begin using third party tools because it was impossible to catch money making fish at anything close to a decent rate gil/hour otherwise.

[Felis]

yes banning them wrok to a degree the prob with stf is that most of us have to write dwn every name to repot it and have to log to do so and since they use the long name tatic ex: huyds jfuenc times that by 8 then its going to take a while and most just try to ignore them as far as repoting them

• make a macro with /echo , <t>
• tab through the names and use the macro
• copy/paste the names from your chat to your report
• delete the first ","

But you are right that it would be faster and better if we can report ingame without first visit the SE support page.

[Onisake]

Any countermessure you plan to implement, gathering fatigue, levelling fatigue, item exclusivity etc, will only harm the honest players.

Anything is hackable and RMTable. Any countermessure will get its counter-countermessure from the same RMTs. And in the end it will only be a pain for the players.

Just plain ban them and sorted. Same as botting afk players. No answer to a tell? Sorry mate, you were supposed to be there when you were moving around.
It's so obvious I don't even understand what kind of investigation is needed to prove all this.

I often, I'd say 90% of the time, watch TV/movies while i'm crafting/fishing.

I never look at my chat log, nothing i need to craft/fish appears in the chat log.

I'm almost always doing the same thing over, and over, and over too. I also have a mule that i exclusively fish on. (so i can accumulate rested XP for my DoW on my main)

Not to mention sometimes insomnia kicks in and i'll fish all night.

should i be banned?

it's not always that simple as just sending a /tell or even looking for repetitive motions. for some of us, that's just what we do.