RMTs are starting to bother me...

[Delsus]

Any countermessure you plan to implement, gathering fatigue, levelling fatigue, item exclusivity etc, will only harm the honest players.

Anything is hackable and RMTable. Any countermessure will get its counter-countermessure from the same RMTs. And in the end it will only be a pain for the players.

Just plain ban them and sorted. Same as botting afk players. No answer to a tell? Sorry mate, you were supposed to be there when you were moving around.
It's so obvious I don't even understand what kind of investigation is needed to prove all this.

Ok you say no investigations are needed, ok I have been mining all day, someone decides to report me for botting, some time later my phone rings when I am half way through a node, I receive a GM tell and can't answer it because I am on the phone, should I be banned for a badly timed phone call or should they investigate?

I am doing leves, decide to stand at camp to eat, someone has seen be doing leves all day, should I be banned?

This is what the investigations avoid it ensures they only ban guilty parties not people who afk'd for a short time in a bad position.

[Antipika]

Ok you say no investigations are needed, ok I have been mining all day, someone decides to report me for botting, some time later my phone rings when I am half way through a node, I receive a GM tell and can't answer it because I am on the phone, should I be banned for a badly timed phone call or should they investigate?

I am doing leves, decide to stand at camp to eat, someone has seen be doing leves all day, should I be banned?

This is what the investigations avoid it ensures they only ban guilty parties not people who afk'd for a short time in a bad position.

No one care if you are AFK or on the phone while standing still.

The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

The GM won't supsend you if you are static doing nothing. They're not that stupid. You'll be most likely observed for few minutes, /tell will be sent to you, if you keep on mining or do w/e you're doing without replying, they will send you another /tell. If you keep on going you'll end up jailed and will have to explain why you did not comply. That's how it worked on XI.

Failure to comply to GMs instructions at any given time during your gameplay is a violation of the ToS.

[Fear]

No one care if you are AFK or on the phone while standing still.



The GM won't supsend you if you are static doing nothing. They're not that stupid. You'll be most likely observed for few minutes, /tell will be sent to you, if you keep on mining or do w/e you're doing without replying, they will send you another /tell. If you keep on going you'll end up jailed and will have to explain why you did not comply. That's how it worked on XI.

Failure to comply to GMs instructions at any given time during your gameplay is a violation of the ToS.

You can be banned for this, alot of cheating programs and bots have cut-offs, so if a character with GM appears or /tells them for example the bot shutdowns, usually in these cases the players will get banned.

But this is stupid for the fact that normal players can get caughtup in it from having to go AFK all of a sudden, for a phonecall etc.

[Bebekurenai]

Ok you say no investigations are needed, ok I have been mining all day, someone decides to report me for botting, some time later my phone rings when I am half way through a node, I receive a GM tell and can't answer it because I am on the phone, should I be banned for a badly timed phone call or should they investigate?

I am doing leves, decide to stand at camp to eat, someone has seen be doing leves all day, should I be banned?

This is what the investigations avoid it ensures they only ban guilty parties not people who afk'd for a short time in a bad position.

As Antipika already answered, you should'nt be moving if you are afk.
And also I mean by obvious not someone who is going afk once and missed a tell or too lazy to scroll back. I mean repetetive behaviour which is obvious, like ppl turbocrafting inside the wards for a WEEK come on! Don't tell me its someone who went for food, how can you compare that to when you are at camp after a full day doing leves cause you're hungry and decide to go afk?
Or fishers at lakes blinking for hours, supposedly running a bot that tries to equip a bait.
Please some common sense ppl. I didnt mean any of you guys who need to afk from time to time, I mean obvious botters and/or RMTs. Those who we keep complaining about but are still at our camps and are supposed to be investigated, this is what I mean, investigate WHY?

[Naraku_Diabolos]

What really gets me is why the botters are using CNJ to fight and farm the Leves. I don't understand 'why' they chose CNJ instead of THM. Then again, they do use Fire when they are CNJ (I can tell from the equipped weapon). I'm guessing it's because of Aerora and Stonera, since those are specific to CNJ but Fire can be used as well; all three spells are AoE.

What I really don't understand is why they are wanting to fight the Faction Leve that has those sheep/ram, the wolves and the NPC... Why that Leve and nothing else?

I did get a giggle out of this two weeks ago; the lead RMT got killed during the fight, laid there and the surrounding RMTs just stopped fighting while getting beat up by the enemy monsters. It's like if one of the fishing RMT leaders gets KOed, the rest stop what they are doing and become inactive.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Any countermessure you plan to implement, gathering fatigue, levelling fatigue, item exclusivity etc, will only harm the honest players.

Anything is hackable and RMTable. Any countermessure will get its counter-countermessure from the same RMTs. And in the end it will only be a pain for the players.

Just plain ban them and sorted. Same as botting afk players. No answer to a tell? Sorry mate, you were supposed to be there when you were moving around.
It's so obvious I don't even understand what kind of investigation is needed to prove all this.

Short of catching an individual completely in the act, an investigation is needed.

What Delsus above me has said holds true. And even when he comes back, if his /linkshell chat scrolls the /tell off the screen and he's not too interested in scrolling back to read his /linkshell chat, he's not going to see the /tell either.

How are these players botting? What method/program are they using? Can the method/program be detected? If it can be, which players are logging into the game with this third party program running in the background? How many of these players have been reported? Are all the players with this third party program using it for botting purposes?

i.e. I wouldn't want them banning folks just because they had a Razr gaming mouse, an Xkeys keyboard, a gamepad-keyboard emulator, or used macro programs for non-gaming. Even though there are some individuals that may use this to achieve unattended gameplay, it does not make all individuals using these devices banworthy.

If the individual was using a program where the program's sole purpose was to perform actions in FFXIV, I could see any individual with that program on their machine getting suspended and/or banned without further probing.

"Ban 'em all and let the mods sort 'em out."

[Onisake]

Any countermessure you plan to implement, gathering fatigue, levelling fatigue, item exclusivity etc, will only harm the honest players.

Anything is hackable and RMTable. Any countermessure will get its counter-countermessure from the same RMTs. And in the end it will only be a pain for the players.

Just plain ban them and sorted. Same as botting afk players. No answer to a tell? Sorry mate, you were supposed to be there when you were moving around.
It's so obvious I don't even understand what kind of investigation is needed to prove all this.

I often, I'd say 90% of the time, watch TV/movies while i'm crafting/fishing.

I never look at my chat log, nothing i need to craft/fish appears in the chat log.

I'm almost always doing the same thing over, and over, and over too. I also have a mule that i exclusively fish on. (so i can accumulate rested XP for my DoW on my main)

Not to mention sometimes insomnia kicks in and i'll fish all night.

should i be banned?

it's not always that simple as just sending a /tell or even looking for repetitive motions. for some of us, that's just what we do.

[Kraggy]

While it might seem to many of you that we are not combating RMT related activity at camps like Cedarwood and other places, please rest assured that the operations and STF teams are proactively looking into this and performing thorough investigations. And to give you more insight of their investigations, we banned 700 accounts last week, but as you know they keep coming back.

In addition to ongoing STF efforts, we will be setting up countermeasures system wise as we head towards version 2.0. If you happen to notice any suspicious activity in your adventuring, please take a moment and help us out by making an STF report by going here: http://support.na.square-enix.com/co...hp?id=902&la=1

Please, for the love of all that's Holy PROVIDE AN IN-GAME METHOD OF REPORTING TO THE STF.

It's a major PITA to have to log to a web site to make a report .. do I need to remind you that your game crashes when you ALT-TAB out of full-screen mode???!!!??? .. so much so that I expect the vast majority of RMT (and other) activity goes unreported due to your player-hostile reporting mechanism.

[Seif]

Please, for the love of all that's Holy PROVIDE AN IN-GAME METHOD OF REPORTING TO THE STF.

It's a major PITA to have to log to a web site to make a report .. do I need to remind you that your game crashes when you ALT-TAB out of full-screen mode???!!!??? .. so much so that I expect the vast majority of RMT (and other) activity goes unreported due to your player-hostile reporting mechanism.

This. Maybe just make it an option from when you're cheking an NPC.

[Deathmask]

While it might seem to many of you that we are not combating RMT related activity at camps like Cedarwood and other places, please rest assured that the operations and STF teams are proactively looking into this and performing thorough investigations. And to give you more insight of their investigations, we banned 700 accounts last week, but as you know they keep coming back.

In addition to ongoing STF efforts, we will be setting up countermeasures system wise as we head towards version 2.0. If you happen to notice any suspicious activity in your adventuring, please take a moment and help us out by making an STF report by going here: http://support.na.square-enix.com/co...hp?id=902&la=1

You made me laugh. I can log in the game right now and see them. And ill see the same ones in next week.