Why is the game Accessable but not Accessable?

[Lunaxia]

Because, this game already holds your hand so often with guiding you through it? The progression in this game is much linear compared to most MMOs that those optional blue quests are very easy to follow and doesnt usually take that much time to unlock the content. I'm saying this as somebody whom was a sprout once upon a time, I never had trouble or felt overwhelmed with stuff because the game and community actively encourages you to take your time and I took it to heart. I was able to sift through 10 years of content within a span of half a year playing casually.

I disagree. Other elements of the game might have been simplified as of late, but I think in a lot of cases you're left to your own devices to figure things out and a signpost or two wouldn't hurt. The new players I come across rarely have even close to the full rota of raids and dungeons unlocked - Omega and the older Alliance raids especially - and typically need directing or explaining about getting to higher end content. Others I've met aren't new, but are hesitant to try because they're under the misconception that joining it requires more than it does, as the process isn't particularly transparent.

While I also encourage sprouts taking their time, there's also the fact that a lot of people don't always want to take six months sifting through the game to access content they might enjoy.

Because we do agree, to an extent. Your issue is that you're fearmongering and going overboard with that panic. "Think of the sprouts!". Yes... we do. The community does. SE should do something about it, but there are ways around it.

You're reading a little too much into my post, and I'm not a huge fan of having words put in my mouth. I don't see what's "fearmongering" about saying there's a prejudice against more tutorial-type information for new players, when there's already talk of the dreaded "hand-holding" everyone seems so dead against in this thread.

Plus I answer myself, because unlike you, I actually provide fixes to the issue and acknowledge where it lies? Rather than blame the forums for being anti-sprouts?

...except I am offering fixes to the issue? I was suggesting some text guidance, because I perceive there is a lack of information regarding certain content. I don't understand the need for the borderline hostile tone, either.

[Midareyukki]

You're reading a little too much into my post, and I'm not a huge fan of having words put in my mouth. I don't see what's "fearmongering" about saying there's a prejudice against more tutorial-type information for new players, when there's already talk of the dreaded "hand-holding" everyone seems so dead against in this thread.

...except I am offering fixes to the issue? I was suggesting some text guidance, because I perceive there is a lack of information regarding certain content. I don't understand the need for the borderline hostile tone, either.

I mean, considering how you decided to focus on that, I assumed that's what you meant. If you don't like having words put in your mouth, be attentive to what you're saying.
You didn't offer a fix to the issue in the quote I provided. You just went straight for "welp, here we have the Forums being anti-sprout". You're passing on this idea that the forums are against sprouts. We are not. It's just not nuanced. If me answering my own proposals bothers you so much, then don't fixate on that and actually deal with the topic. Because I'm perfectly capable of admitting what's flawed with my ideas, which again goes to show how nuanced this topic is and why it's not a case of acting out against sprouts whatsoever.

You're the one who fixated on it.
You're the one who accused the forums of it.

So if you don't want a hostile tone, please, be responsible for what you write and how it comes across. And then I'll do the same. Deal?

You forget the pacing of the msq where it dictates what blue quests are available. Again FFXIV is very linear and easy to progress already that you rarely need outside help to unlock things.

I'd say the only thing that isn't linear tends to be crafter\gatherer stuff... But if you're doing everything and taking breaks on the correct parts of the MSQ (usually after every major X.00 story), if you focus on the experience the game had until then you'll generally be fine.

The real issue is making the information more straightforward, as some quests do only unlock in random places :x

[Lunaxia]

You forget the pacing...

Players don't have any awareness of patches or pacing during the MSQ once a particular expansion is done, and typically they'll either wait until the end of the MSQ in its entirety (the most common) to bother with side content due to wanting to be adequately geared and on par with other players, or at most until the end of that expansion's story (less common), which by then there can still literally be an ocean of the things to go through to find extra content regardless. Given the importance of the fights to gearing up and the whole pathway into higher end duties being a little obscured to the uninitiated overall, I'm really struggling to see what's so interfering or insulting about a little heads up at the end of a quest: "hey, you can challenge extra content relating to this quest in exchange for higher rewards!" etc. The only way I'd see it as possibly shoving it in your face is if it forced you into a questline to unlock it.

I mean.

I didn't fixate on anything; there's more than a little projection going on here. I made a comment, and answered both of your responses to what I said in my post equally, and from "there's a bias/ reluctance to include help for new players" you decided to spin it into some hyperbolic pearl-clutching to denigrate what I'm saying without offering much in the way of a valid argument. I've been dealing with the topic the entire time, I really don't know what your problem is.

Plainly I've hit some sort of nerve for you to get this defensive, so I'll leave the discussion here.

[Midareyukki]

I didn't fixate on anything; there's more than a little projection going on here. I made a comment, and answered both of your responses to what I said in my post equally, and from "there's a bias/ reluctance to include help for new players" you decided to spin it into some hyperbolic pearl-clutching to denigrate what I'm saying without offering much in the way of a valid argument. I've been dealing with the topic the entire time, I really don't know what your problem is.

Plainly I've hit some sort of nerve for you to get this defensive, so I'll leave the discussion here.

I told you what the problem was, you fixating on how I write.

I also told you what the problem is: You coming here and your only comment is blaming the forums.

Hyperbolic pearl-clutching to denigrate you? Do you honestly think I keep you in my thoughts or whatever? That you live rent-free in my head?

Girl, the one thing I told you was "No, we do care about things, it's just not clear-cut". You're the only one unwilling to accept that. Instead, you're the one resorting to calling stuff out instead of doing some self-reflection.

My problem with you? Gee, I wonder. Is it your attitude?

1 - Calling out the way the person writes.

I feel like you're offering up arguments and then just answering yourself, when we basically seem to agree on the main point.

Which I then responded to.

2 - Getting upset that the person is upset at you calling out the way the person writes instead of acknowledging the issue with what you said and what the person was explaining to you

I don't understand the need for the borderline hostile tone, either.

Which, fun fact, I wasn't even being hostile, I was just telling you things. You're the one who went nuts.

3 - Me telling you the problem and how you're basically dismissing it, and then you come and say neurotic things such as

hyperbolic pearl-clutching to denigrate what I'm saying

No. I didn't denigrate anything. You were the one who specifically said

I'm not really sure why the forums have such a bizarre bias against newer players receiving some help or guidance, really.

And I told you "We don't".

You were the one who went nuts because I apparently answered myself and said nothing of worth.

Especially since, as you said, "we agreed".

If we agreed, then why be so upset that I'm answering myself? I answer myself bc I've seen how this garbage place tends to treat me when I don't mention XYZ nuance. I do it to cover myself. But hey, if that doesn't work either, whatever, y'all can take it however you want.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Players don't have any awareness of patches or pacing during the MSQ once a particular expansion is done, and typically they'll either wait until the end of the MSQ in its entirety (the most common) to bother with side content due to wanting to be adequately geared and on par with other players, or at most until the end of that expansion's story (less common), which by then there can still literally be an ocean of the things to go through to find extra content regardless. Given the importance of the fights to gearing up and the whole pathway into higher end duties being a little obscured to the uninitiated overall, I'm really struggling to see what's so interfering or insulting about a little heads up at the end of a quest: "hey, you can challenge extra content relating to this quest in exchange for higher rewards!" etc. The only way I'd see it as possibly shoving it in your face is if it forced you into a questline to unlock it.

Again, I'm speaking from experience as a sprout going through the game on my own sweet time.

1. Dont necessarily need to follow the patch notes; the major raids and trials are easily findable after you completed the expansion's main story as blue quests are relegated within city hubs in that expansion. Obviously not everything but most players care about raiding content and the starter quests are usually placed within those hubs. And if we're talking about them potentially missing it, they wont as during the post expansion stories they'll be revisiting these old areas where they'll easily see those blue quests.

2. Gearing isnt hard, especially when players start doing roulettes daily as they can use the tomestones to buy that expansion's endgame gear if they dont want to spend gil on the marketboard. We're talking about sprouts progressing in their power through msq, they are easily capable of doing this as I have, as someone who never fully played an MMO before FFXIV.

3. You're really overselling this "ocean of content" that FFXIV has if we're talking about a sprout going through the game normally. Not everything is thrown at your face immediately. I'll admit the most this happens is really during ARR where you'll find many blue quests due to them introducing you the basics (mostly unlocking the usual features such as mounts,tribals,optional dungeons etc) but after you get into HW the blue quests eases up and most of the heavy stuff is available after you completed the expansion's main story, which is a nice setup for players to take a break from the main story and pursue those easy to find blue quests.