There is no reward for playing well.

[Elfidan]

So who exactly will judge your play and enforce this reward for your play effort? Do you think SE can afford to employ spectators? They can't even afford enough GM to handle griefing in any aspect of the game (save the ones broadcast on twitch to 100k people anyway...).

[Claustrum]

So who exactly will judge your play and enforce this reward for your play effort? Do you think SE can afford to employ spectators? They can't even afford enough GM to handle griefing in any aspect of the game (save the ones broadcast on twitch to 100k people anyway...).

A program would do it, buddy. Do you actually think I'm saying GMs should watch every pvp match? No, if you meet certain requirements, you have a chance to not lose your rank.

[Elfidan]

That seems pretty optimistic. There are so many factors in what is good play that even the stats at the end of the match do not perfectly show you who played well and who didn't. This is how you end up with matches where a team has massive damage tons of kills and still loses because nobody stuck with the crystal.

[Gserpent]

Worse, if people figure out how scoring works, they'll play to game that system... not to win the actual game. You're approaching the problem from the wrong angle, bud.

[Claustrum]

That seems pretty optimistic. There are so many factors in what is good play that even the stats at the end of the match do not perfectly show you who played well and who didn't. This is how you end up with matches where a team has massive damage tons of kills and still loses because nobody stuck with the crystal.

You're right. Ah, if only there was a measurable statistic for people who stuck with the crystal.

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[Claustrum]

Worse, if people figure out how scoring works, they'll play to game that system... not to win the actual game. You're approaching the problem from the wrong angle, bud.

Ah yeah. Like all the people who are always trying to win the actual game... afk... in the base... because there's no penalty for them to do that, and no reward for them to not do that. You're describing meta-gaming, and it exists in every gaming system.

The current incentives allow for people to f-over 4 other players on their team, and those 4 other players can't do anything but seethe and soy for the match, then lose a rank just like the troll on their team.

THEY'RE ALREADY PLAYING TO GAME THAT SYSTEM, BUD.

[Claustrum]

Worse, if people figure out how scoring works, they'll play to game that system... not to win the actual game. You're approaching the problem from the wrong angle, bud.

Look, are you really this stupid, or are you just trolling? I've spent this whole thread describing a problem where people know how the scoring works, and they're playing to that system instead of actually trying to win the game they're currently playing.

People decide a match is a lost cause and just afk instead of trying to win the actual game.

[Mithron]

The reward for playing well is the increase of your rank and more currency.

I lost this match despite being better than both teams combined. What's my reward?

[Lustre]

Expecting xiv players to care about improving is like expecting a rock to bleed when you throw it at a wall, it's just not going to happen

[Towa-Musa]

Ah yeah. Like all the people who are always trying to win the actual game... afk... in the base... because there's no penalty for them to do that, and no reward for them to not do that. You're describing meta-gaming, and it exists in every gaming system.

The current incentives allow for people to f-over 4 other players on their team, and those 4 other players can't do anything but seethe and soy for the match, then lose a rank just like the troll on their team.

THEY'RE ALREADY PLAYING TO GAME THAT SYSTEM, BUD.

then you got the fact that people will throw so they can progress the Series pass faster or stack match making by queuing at the same time, they play the system and they play it well.