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    SamSmoot's Avatar
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    Fugu Barr
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    Exodus
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    Ninja Lv 100

    Reporting RMT spam, Copy one thing from WoW.

    In WoW, when you report an RMT bot, it's posts disappear from your chat log, and you never see another from from it for the remainder of your login session. Saves blacklist space.
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    Katt_Felista's Avatar
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    Katt Felista
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    Ragnarok
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Here you can report them all you want, even if these messages are OBVIOUS as they are, they do absolutely nothing, be it on the pfinder or in shouts / cities. And these users are never banned even if the insinuations / annuendo are just in your face / easy to get.

    Nothing is done, absolute impunity as long as you just don't show it blatantly in a screen or stream it. All is permited.
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    Last edited by Katt_Felista; 11-24-2022 at 12:04 PM.

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    Jasla Angelkin
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Transmog Catalog.
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    Aserana Swian
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katt_Felista View Post
    Here you can report them all you want, even if these messages are OBVIOUS as they are, they do absolutely nothing, be it on the pfinder or in shouts / cities. And these users are never banned even if the insinuations / annuendo are just in your face / easy to get.

    Nothing is done, absolute impunity as long as you just don't show it blatantly in a screen or stream it. All is permited.
    We are this far into the world of MMOs, and people still don't understand how RMT and cheaters are banned?

    They are banned in waves, for a reason.

    They don't ban individually. That would cause the problem to be far, far worse.
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    Player Reap00's Avatar
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    Riamara Skye
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    Marilith
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonFlyy View Post
    Transmog Catalog.
    We don't need a catalog regardless of what the sweaty masses think. If SE managed to get that in the game people would cry for more. The current glam system is fine.
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    Player Reap00's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateRyanG View Post
    We are this far into the world of MMOs, and people still don't understand how RMT and cheaters are banned?

    They are banned in waves, for a reason.

    They don't ban individually. That would cause the problem to be far, far worse.
    A logical response that will get ignored as these people love to complain for the sake of complaining.
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    Larirawiel's Avatar
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    Larirawiel Caennalys
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    We don't need a catalog regardless of what the sweaty masses think. If SE managed to get that in the game people would cry for more. The current glam system is fine.
    Sorry, but no.

    The transmog catalog is account wide. It is a huge advantage over the glamour system in FF14.


    Cheers
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    Player Stormpeaks's Avatar
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    Maya Jcb
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    Halicarnassus
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    Dancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    We don't need a catalog regardless of what the sweaty masses think. If SE managed to get that in the game people would cry for more. The current glam system is fine.
    No it's not fine, and yes the catalogue is far superior. No one is crying about transmog in wow, because its perfectly fine as it is, while the glam system, well, is not. Which is why people are complaining about it.
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    Aergrael Iyrnrael
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by PirateRyanG View Post
    They are banned in waves, for a reason.
    Banwaves are better if botting or other cheating is involved. For just banning advertisement bots it barely matters. Except that instant bans will cause more dump accounts to be made (which can be undesired). But even then, a week is a lot. A bot can become profitable within a day. (maybe the banwaves are daily, but the report is weekly, but i suspect this is not the case)

    I think in this case they should just ban the message based on repetetive content (machine learning can go quite far here and generate some relatively reliable algorythms based on reports). The moment these spam messages can be identified quickly, it doesnt matter who posts them, they can just be hidden. And then they might not even need a ban to begin with. If the message itself just gets muted, it does enough. And even if there are some mismatches, as it doesnt instantly cause a ban, it barely matters. In most cases the matching factor is going to be a domain name in the url, and that is exactly the factor you want to block.

    And this can even work for the raffle scam that directs to a fake forum. As again, the domain names are a easily identified factor.

    Hashing the message doesnt work as they always have a suffix to break it (while machine learning can reliably purge that info and still hash it for quick checks anyway). This is one of those things machine learning should be able to handle relatively easy. The more difficult it becomes to circumvent such system, the less advertisements you get. And sure, some will go through it. And they might find a workaround relatively fast at first. But again, the more their domains become recognised, the less workarounds will work. At some point the advertisements will just become a garbled mess which obviously wont make it work anymore. The ease for reading towards people is a weakness on its own.
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    Player Knot_D's Avatar
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    Jock Destroyer
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    Asura
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    Culinarian Lv 80
    >Can't use glam dresser at own apartment/housing
    >Glam plate limited to sanctuary area
    >
    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    The current glam system is fine.
    Say sike right now.
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