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    Acelyn Abattoir
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    Please move crstal tower raids to main scenario

    It just makes sense at this point, they're required to progress and because of that fact they weigh heavier than the other fights, they always pop up.

    also, you have a joke of a rotation in these fights, which is another reason they're annoying to run through.

    truthfully as someone who's been playing for years...i'm just tired of seeing the crystal tower, i dont know how many times i've ran them but i've done it enough, it isnt even fun at this point, it creates an annoyance that borders on anger, having the screen go black to load then hearing the first notes of those fights make me sad now.

    meanwhile the fight knowledge of the mhach, ivalice and nier fights is terrible, players dont know them because they never see them, BECAUSE that terrible tower always grabs everyone.
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Something needs to be done, but I disagree that this is it. The whole balance of MSQ roulette is that it's three duties which are equally long and (un)desirable – putting in the quicker CT raids leads to a risk of people fishing for them and more generally diverting people from the four-man duties.
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    Firemage Li
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Something needs to be done, but I disagree that this is it. The whole balance of MSQ roulette is that it's three duties which are equally long and (un)desirable – putting in the quicker CT raids leads to a risk of people fishing for them and more generally diverting people from the four-man duties.
    Imagine saying Castrum is as long as Prae or Porta
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acelyn View Post
    It just makes sense at this point, they're required to progress and because of that fact they weigh heavier than the other fights, they always pop up.

    also, you have a joke of a rotation in these fights, which is another reason they're annoying to run through.

    truthfully as someone who's been playing for years...i'm just tired of seeing the crystal tower, i dont know how many times i've ran them but i've done it enough, it isnt even fun at this point, it creates an annoyance that borders on anger, having the screen go black to load then hearing the first notes of those fights make me sad now.

    meanwhile the fight knowledge of the mhach, ivalice and nier fights is terrible, players dont know them because they never see them, BECAUSE that terrible tower always grabs everyone.
    Alliance roulette is fine as is
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    Helbya Chiato
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Something needs to be done, but I disagree that this is it. The whole balance of MSQ roulette is that it's three duties which are equally long and (un)desirable – putting in the quicker CT raids leads to a risk of people fishing for them and more generally diverting people from the four-man duties.
    Since the rework and splitting of the MSQ dungeons; they're all pretty close in duration now, and quite comparable to normal dungeons. Meridianum takes about 20min, Prae at 27min, and Decumana at 15min. Which averages out to the typical runtime of a CT raid as well.
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    Aergrael Iyrnrael
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Alliance roulette is fine as is
    And thats why this subject repeatedly shows up on the forums at a similar rate to the housing issues...
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkcsAlias View Post
    And thats why this subject repeatedly shows up on the forums at a similar rate to the housing issues...
    Just because it comes up ad nauseum doesn't mean it's an issue. It just means people are stupid
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    Lucretia Ryusagi
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    I wish they would remove MSQ dungeons from mentor roulett. Or at leats give the msq rewards if you get it.
    Anyway crystal tower could need to some reworks to make it moreninteresting again, even for new players its not really interesting and nobody understands the boss mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Just because it comes up ad nauseum doesn't mean it's an issue. It just means people are stupid
    That differs a lot per issue. And the easier it is to understand, the more likely it is an issue. But its true, in some cases it can be inverted, where the issue is just being pushed while it shouldnt (you should not give the very vocal 1% an advantage over the silent 99%, they are silent for a reason). But even in that case, it stillidentifies there is an issue (even if only 0.01% is affected).

    And just like the housing situation, the complaints can be plain wrong as they focus on the wrong aspect (the lottery system is not bad, its the lack of houses that make your odds patheticly poor, caused by simply not having enough supply. And regardless of used system, that issue is the real cause. Placard clicking doesnt change this, it only shifts the balance - in a bad way).

    For the ARR raids, its clear there is an issue, but what the solution should be... that can differ. Personaly the best solution to me would be just that they get rebalanced so in difficulty they match the later raids again. But yeah, for someone who wants to just beat the MSQ, reworking it to an MSQ duty might be better. And some just want a quick reward so dont want changes (and this quick reward could be handed out in a diffirent way so they still wouldnt miss out). There are a lot of things to consider here. But this clash of oppinions shows there is an issue.
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkcsAlias View Post
    For the ARR raids, its clear there is an issue
    Again, there is no issue. Read, can you do it?
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