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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebraoracle View Post
    Agreed with this. I... do not like 14's incarnation of vieras. Fran was decent at least, but all of the ones that came after her are... ehh. The race feels Barbie Doll'd? I'm not sure how to describe it, but they almost feel like a different race from their FF12 selves. FF12 viera were amazing, and if Square actually made them more similar to that than "human with rabbit ears" I'd like the race a lot more.
    Its kinda telling how we still havent explored The Source's Viera besides the mention of Golmore Jungle in the Ivalice raids. Raktika was neat, but would've loved to have that culture BE explored in the Source rather than having it feel so disconnected with us getting introduced to them in alternate Hydaelyn. Yet another reason why I dislike Shadowbringer's premise... (reeeally should've been that Garlemald expansion. Could've helped with better introducing Bozja as part of the msq too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Its kinda telling how we still havent explored The Source's Viera besides the mention of Golmore Jungle in the Ivalice raids. Raktika was neat, but would've loved to have that culture BE explored in the Source rather than having it feel so disconnected with us getting introduced to them in alternate Hydaelyn. Yet another reason why I dislike Shadowbringer's premise... (reeeally should've been that Garlemald expansion. Could've helped with better introducing Bozja as part of the msq too)
    I *think* part of the reason nothing else was released with Ivalice is because the main writer for it left Square? Or something like that. It's also why we'll never get another Ivalice based game, which I'm incredibly upset about. It's really sad, it just cements that we'll probably never actually get to explore the Ivalice related areas in 14 nor hear anything else about that resistance group or whatever Fran was with. Just a completely dropped story thread, IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebraoracle View Post
    I *think* part of the reason nothing else was released with Ivalice is because the main writer for it left Square? Or something like that. It's also why we'll never get another Ivalice based game, which I'm incredibly upset about. It's really sad, it just cements that we'll probably never actually get to explore the Ivalice related areas in 14 nor hear anything else about that resistance group or whatever Fran was with. Just a completely dropped story thread, IIRC.
    He'd left Square before, he was working as an outsider brought in. Some of the FF14 team worked on his past projects, and thus 14 has some inspiration from games like 12. Yoshida stated that Matsuno was his biggest reason for joining Square Enix to begin with, and that this was a thing he always wanted, to work alongside the guy. However, due to complications that we don't know about, Matsuno had to go and the story grew outside of what he had intended. It is indeed why we we'll never get another Ivalice game, though I can't exactly be sure whether Matsuno will return for a potential future Dalmasca content or if that whole plot got dropped.

    Which frankly? It's absurd. They have other writers, surely one of them is capable of doing it justice. Plus, it's a country with volatility and continent-spanning repercussions. They can totally squeeze out an expansion's worth of content out of it if they put their minds to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    He'd left Square before, he was working as an outsider brought in. Some of the FF14 team worked on his past projects, and thus 14 has some inspiration from games like 12. Yoshida stated that Matsuno was his biggest reason for joining Square Enix to begin with, and that this was a thing he always wanted, to work alongside the guy. However, due to complications that we don't know about, Matsuno had to go and the story grew outside of what he had intended. It is indeed why we we'll never get another Ivalice game, though I can't exactly be sure whether Matsuno will return for a potential future Dalmasca content or if that whole plot got dropped.

    Which frankly? It's absurd. They have other writers, surely one of them is capable of doing it justice. Plus, it's a country with volatility and continent-spanning repercussions. They can totally squeeze out an expansion's worth of content out of it if they put their minds to it.
    I wanna say Japanese culture holds some level of respect for a writer's "ownership" of a their work. I say so because this situation Ive seen before with the Persona 1 and 2 writer leaving Atlus and the reason why current Atlus doesnt touch those games is because they want to leave alone the characters and story made by him rather than expanding themselves. Again, obviously this isnt the case ALL of the time in the business, but Ive also seen other cases were consent from the original creator is valued somewhat there, so it may well be that Ivalice and Bozja stories will be left as a footnote to FFXIV's lore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    He'd left Square before, he was working as an outsider brought in. Some of the FF14 team worked on his past projects, and thus 14 has some inspiration from games like 12. Yoshida stated that Matsuno was his biggest reason for joining Square Enix to begin with, and that this was a thing he always wanted, to work alongside the guy. However, due to complications that we don't know about, Matsuno had to go and the story grew outside of what he had intended. It is indeed why we we'll never get another Ivalice game, though I can't exactly be sure whether Matsuno will return for a potential future Dalmasca content or if that whole plot got dropped.

    Which frankly? It's absurd. They have other writers, surely one of them is capable of doing it justice. Plus, it's a country with volatility and continent-spanning repercussions. They can totally squeeze out an expansion's worth of content out of it if they put their minds to it.
    An expansion's worth of BANGAA? Sir, you know how to speak to my heart! Too bad they'll never be playable T_T
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