Thread: 2.0 in vain?

I hate the be the bearer of bad news but Final Fantasy in general has alway been a grind fest. Even pre MMO. The model has always been to follow the story and at some point if you didn't grind a bit between you would get to a part in the story you couldn't do and spent then next few days grinding. The difference here is instead of controlling a party you are one person in that party. That will not change in 2.0 that will not change for ff15, 19, moogles be praised ff50. Grinding is as much a part of Final Fantasy and chocobos, moogles and Cid.

The endless repeatable quest model where you solo to max level on quests and then raid the same place for the next 6 months is really no different except the multiplayer in wow clones just means other people soloing around you and in ff it means the people you grind with.

I'm going to be very blunt and honest with you OP. If you have not put the time in to play the game for more than 2-4 weeks total you have no right complaining so critically about it.

Originally Posted by afk4life

I don't know what the stance on WoW is on this board but I'm going to assume it's neutral. While WoW was simple, it was also extremely fluid and excelled at what it was supposed to excel at.From FFXIV's 2.0 mission statement it still feels like one big overambitious project.

Calling 2.0 overambitious is an understatement. The way SE originally plugged it you'd think that it would fix every possible problem people have that it's surprising they didn't include it would run for public office to help fix your actual life too. I think 2.0 (or a Realm Reborn) is going to be very much the same game we have now. There is no reason why they couldn't implement all the fixes to the problems ARR is supposed to address in the CURRENT client. People think that something about the game prevents them from doing this?

FFXIV was such a disaster when first launched that I see little hope of it's revile. Indeed dropping FFXIV from the title would likely help a lot. Any connection to that name should best be avoided. How successful a launch a product has determines it's future. Attempting to "relaunch it" won't help because people aren't going to give a second look at it. They've been burned once, they aren't going to stick their hand into the fire again.

Here is a bias opinion, and a bit off topic, but it seems to me like there are some 14 players that enjoyed the WoW type of games more than FF11(like the OP). So they would rather the game lean more in that direction. May be that's what SE is trying to do in order to make more money. However, I think the majority of ff14 players were most likely playing 11 instead of or more than WoW or whatever else. I know a lot of ppl don't want this game to be ff11-2 including myself, but most players I talk to and agree w/ liked 11 for a lot of reasons. Why is it every time some1 makes a suggestion about the game that is similar to something 11 had, some ppl get all up in arms about it. "This ain't FF11 blah blah blah". We don't want it to be ff11 again, but why couldn't SE take some of the really good ideas form 11 and use them here? Then build off of what they know works really well. I think where SE originally messed up was trying to make this game too different form all the other FF games. While ff11 had many flaws, over it's entirety it was a better game than WoW and this one is so far. I have big hopes, and have not lost all of my faith in SE. Hopefully in 2.0, the game does lean a bit more towards FF11 rather than WoW.

OP, if you quit any MMO after a few hours besides WoW, you probably did not give it a chance. Looks to me like you won't give 2.0 a chance either, seeing as how you already judged it before it came out. I at least gave 14 a month before I realized it needed more work for me to continue to play on a dead server. So I took some time off and went back to playing 11 again till about 4ish months ago. This game has vastly improved imo, and I have faith that 2.0 will be better yet and has the potential to be even better than 11 if they can learn to take the good things from games like ff series up to and including 11 and even some things from WoW and use those ideas to form a game better than all of them combined. That is what I am hoping and giving them a real chance to do.