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    Introduction of a negative commendation button

    Perhaps the best way to sort out clueless mentors farming mentor roulette not to help but to get a mount.

    Introduce a system where you have to maintain a commendation level over a certain period.

    Let's say 70% commendation rate.

    A player can then use a negative commendation in place of a standard commendation, knocking down the commendation rate percentage.

    The mentor will then lose access to mentor roulette until they are able to bring their commendation level percentage up again.

    I know some will say this system can easily be trolled, and perhaps it can. However, I can't imagine enough people would use the system in a negative way to truly impact the stats.

    I suppose it could also be introduced outside of mentorship too, but I don't really see the point. Those commendations won't mean a thing and a negative commendation wouldn't mean a thing.

    The system may have to be tinkered because I assume DPS tend to get fewer commendations overall. I tend to always commend the DPS, especially if they are new and listened to mechanics, but I know most others default to the tank or the healer. Perhaps mostly the healer as I average 2 commendations a dungeon as of late. Never played as a tank.
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    Would take a lot of negative commendations (years) to ever compete with my positive commendations.
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    Better yet introduce smiley face and frowny face stickers. Smiley face for when you did good, and you get a frowny face if they did bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Would take a lot of negative commendations (years) to ever compete with my positive commendations.
    Great then it should be good for you.

    This system would combat the mount farmers who don't want to help at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateRyanG View Post
    Great then it should be good for you.

    This system would combat the mount farmers who don't want to help at all.
    No it wouldn't.

    If you want to combat the bad mentors, there needs to be a separate commendation or rating system specific to mentors. The current commendation system isn't specific to mentors and affects achievements that any player can earn.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Ya, that totally wouldn't be abused at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Ya, that totally wouldn't be abused at all.
    People would see a mentor icon and instantly negative comm just out of spite regardless of performance.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    People would see a mentor icon and instantly negative comm just out of spite regardless of performance.
    I could see groups being formed simply to neg. commendation bomb every mentor they encounter..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    People would see a mentor icon and instantly negative comm just out of spite regardless of performance.
    Yup. i hide my mentor icon because of this stupid stigma and just help people when i can
    it's sad what the icons become
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Better yet introduce smiley face and frowny face stickers. Smiley face for when you did good, and you get a frowny face if they did bad.
    See, I considered upvotes and down votes, but I don't think that system works.

    As a healer, I can easily see when people mess up or don't do things right. I could easily give upvotes and downvotes. (a lot of the time I don't even commend)

    Tanks and dps are so engrossed on their mashing a couple of buttons that they don't notice others are standing in stuff. Some don't even pay attention to their health bars.

    Earlier today, I did the first patch dungeon of shadowbringers. Forgot the name.

    Last boss took about twenty minutes.

    The dps kept exploding the furniture to remove the debuff, and standing on the wrong side of the fella that swings his axe or sword.

    I gave 6 reses in one of four attmpts (all on the dps)

    And yet I got asked where my heals were.

    Those dps assumed I was being a terrible healer, despite them standing in something that was one shotting them.

    That and the wipes were caused by disappearing furniture they blew up, and then taking the remaining furniture so I couldn't remove my debuff (causing my death and 2 wipes)

    I would have got the negative, even if I did nothing wrong.
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