[NIN] Enhanced Meisui is a wasted slot...

[Baklavah]

Should be replaced with something like "Enhanced Kassatsu II", granting a 2nd charge of Kassatsu for moar deeps.

One combo gives you 25 Ninki, you need 50 for any spender. There is no reason to use Meisui. Period. Especially if you make proper use of your rotation for Suiton/Trick Attack, into your heavier Mudra spenders using Kassatsu, and then following up with Doton/Raiton/Katon... you have endless amounts of power without the need for Meisui.

[Wyssahtyn]

Should be replaced with something like "Enhanced Kassatsu II", granting a 2nd charge of Kassatsu for moar deeps.

One combo gives you 25 Ninki, you need 50 for any spender. There is no reason to use Meisui. Period. Especially if you make proper use of your rotation for Suiton/Trick Attack, into your heavier Mudra spenders using Kassatsu, and then following up with Doton/Raiton/Katon... you have endless amounts of power without the need for Meisui.

lolwut.

tenchar

[Shurrikhan]

Should be replaced with something like "Enhanced Kassatsu II", granting a 2nd charge of Kassatsu for moar deeps.

One combo gives you 25 Ninki, you need 50 for any spender. There is no reason to use Meisui. Period. Especially if you make proper use of your rotation for Suiton/Trick Attack, into your heavier Mudra spenders using Kassatsu, and then following up with Doton/Raiton/Katon... you have endless amounts of power without the need for Meisui.

Meisui gives another powerful Suiton follow-up per minute. It is not redundant with Trick Attack; you stagger the two follow-ups. It is a significant gain over the next best filler, Raiton, even after it gains its follow-up in Raijuu.

[Absurdity]

My question would be, if you think that Meisui is a waste of an ability, what exactly are you doing with your Suiton from Ten Chi Jin every 2 minutes?

[Yeastyloins]

My question would be, if you think that Meisui is a waste of an ability, what exactly are you doing with your Suiton from Ten Chi Jin every 2 minutes?

Well if TCJ didn't do Suiton via T-C-J inputs, then Meisui wouldn't exist. That being said, it does add complexity to the burst window by playing around with ninki in order to avoid overcapping.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I don't have anything to add regarding the Meisui thing...

...but can we stop pretending like any trait / ability takes a "slot" that can be "wasted" when there are levels where jobs learn multiple skills and/or traits at once?

[BaconBits]

I don't trust single target doton Ninjas.

[Ilyn]

I don't trust single target doton Ninjas.

Lol .... is basically that first thing I thought of when I read it . Even in Aoe I would still do chi ten jin with TCJ to get 50 ninki from meisui to use bunshin/HfM especially after getting Hollow Nozuchi

[Bake192]

I don't trust single target doton Ninjas.

I agree and I don't do this. I do, however, have a possibly silly question.

If Doton crits on every tick, would it not outdamage critted Raiton? If it crits on only some ticks, would it not outdamage normal Raiton? In both cases we're assuming the target never left Doton AoE ofc.
Still, there's something wrong about using Doton on a single target and it disgusts me whenever I see it.

[Mikey_R]

I agree and I don't do this. I do, however, have a possibly silly question.

If Doton crits on every tick, would it not outdamage critted Raiton? If it crits on only some ticks, would it not outdamage normal Raiton? In both cases we're assuming the target never left Doton AoE ofc.
Still, there's something wrong about using Doton on a single target and it disgusts me whenever I see it.

The first part, we don't even need to calculate. If you crit every DoT of Doton, then add the result, it is the same as adding them all up, then critting them. Doton is weaker than Raition, so if both crit, Raiton will still be stronger.

As for Doton part critting and Raiton not critting, each crit from Doton is an extra 40 potency (1.5 multiplier). Raiton is 170 potency over Doton, so that extra potency has to come from crits. Comparing, 5 DoT ticks are needed, out of a total of 6 to bring a partial crit Doton above Raiton. Doton would have 680 potency to Raiton's 650. So, unless you have ~83% crit rate, it isn't coming close. This is even before you take into account the extra Mudra to cast Doton and ignoring the Raiju follow up.