Why is everyone anxious about a PLD Rework?

[Gserpent]

Adding an oGCD when we have a GCD action that would fulfill that purpose is absurd. Just fix the broken ability, don't add a new button that will ensure the broken ability is used even less than it already does. What you're asking for is meaningless button bloat and buttons that will be taken off of hotbars and forgotten about, exactly like Cure 1, Shield Bash, Cover, etc.

You can have whatever implausible fantasy you'd like, I'm just saying that if you actually think they're going to add "Clemency but it's actually usable!" instead of just fixing Clemency to be actually useful, you're full of it. And like I said - making Clemency an oGCD while taking Sheltron off of the oath gauge LITERALLY IMPROVES PLD'S ABILITY TO SOLO OLD CONTENT ACROSS THE BOARD. It is *literally* giving you more of what you want, and you're still mad because you want to be able to cast Clemency one or two extra times in exchange for obliterating your DPS?

Come on, dude.

[Rithy255]

(Reply to above)

No it wouldn't Healers have ocgd and gcd heals that give the same purpose, It's never been "absurd", you don't get how having a consistent source of healing can be useful for solo content Especially going to be very useful in the most recent things such as Deep dungeons up and coming, clemency can be good in the variant dungeons (if you dont want to take a heal, lets say you take a raise and a dot), it can be useful when synching down to to do solo content, It can be useful in down time, Prog or emergencies to have that consistent heal, It's something you do not understand that clemency doesn't need to be a all purpose use ability.

I'm full of what? liking a ability that actually is unique and interesting, actually giving you a gcd choice (which yes in a lot of situations like hardcore raiding you don't really use often), again I don't get why it's so hard for you to understand that clemency can be a ability that doesn't need to effect optimal situations, Do you raise in Optimal situations? no It's a backup tool, Even Healers don't want to optimally GCD heal and a lot of them have so much OGCD healing combined but it's still nice to have a few gcd heals at a time (I agree cure 1 should just upgrade to cure 2 though as both have the same functionality)

Also, It depends what sort of old content and how often PLD's going to have access to a "OCD clemency" How much oath would clemency even cost and things like that, would determine how well it could replace it entirely in solo content, funny how you think it's a broken ability that's never useful though in it's current form it's not broken nor does it need to be "fixed" it's not a major issue with PLD, as I believe it shouldn't and doesn't effect any of PLD's current defensives and also yes plays apart of PLD's identity, Sorry for liking a ability (which others would agree with me) that generally fits PLD but doesn't need to be useful in every situation.

If you're afraid of clemency existing for space reasons, theirs so many changes I could list off that wouldn't even change pld but allow more space without removing it... If its so useless just remove it from your hotbar I guess? situation solves it self really, clemency shouldn't need to cost anything in terms of defensives

If you're going to do personal attacks and call me mad all the time I'm not going to reply again, I really don't appreciate it... I'm all for hearing out your opinions but I don't really want It to devolve into you just calling me mad and dismissing why I like the ability and think it's actually neat, not everyone's going to share the same opinion as you, I actually agree with a lot of your sentiment on how PLD does lack a OCD option the issue we have is changing clemency to fit that or just adding that without removing clemency, I really wouldn't understand why you'd be upset with my Idea but I guess I'm open to hear you out as long as you're actually trying to be respectful.

[AnotherPerson]

You can have whatever implausible fantasy you'd like, I'm just saying that if you actually think they're going to add "Clemency but it's actually usable!" instead of just fixing Clemency to be actually useful, you're full of it. And like I said - making Clemency an oGCD while taking Sheltron off of the oath gauge LITERALLY IMPROVES PLD'S ABILITY TO SOLO OLD CONTENT ACROSS THE BOARD. It is *literally* giving you more of what you want, and you're still mad because you want to be able to cast Clemency one or two extra times in exchange for obliterating your DPS?

Can you explain how having less casts of Clemency improves PLD's overall survival when they need more healing via raw potency? Oath Gauge only charges at 5 per auto attack, as opposed to MP gauge (which recharges naturally in addition to recharging on atonement, Expiacion, Riot Blade, Blade of Faith, Blade of Truth, and Blade of Valor. How are you planning on balancing the Oath gauge with Clemency when PLD has so much lossless healing? As it stands, 40-50 Oath gauge means PLD has less casts and flexibility, whereas 20-30 Oath Gauge would mean PLD is broken (up to 5000 to 7500 potency worth of healing).

oGCD just means it doesn't conflict with your GCD actions. However, having a reduced number of casts reduces the overall amount of healing. If your argument is changing Clemency to oGCD makes PLD have more survival, that's completely wrong because less overall potency =/= more survival. All it means is that Clemency can be used without DPS loss.

[Gserpent]

Can you explain how having less casts of Clemency improves PLD's overall survival when they need more healing via raw potency? Oath Gauge only charges at 5 per auto attack, as opposed to MP gauge (which recharges naturally in addition to recharging on atonement, Expiacion, Riot Blade, Blade of Faith, Blade of Truth, and Blade of Valor. How are you planning on balancing the Oath gauge with Clemency when PLD has so much lossless healing? As it stands, 40-50 Oath gauge means PLD has less casts and flexibility, whereas 20-30 Oath Gauge would mean PLD is broken (up to 5000 to 7500 potency worth of healing).

oGCD just means it doesn't conflict with your GCD actions. However, having a reduced number of casts reduces the overall amount of healing. If your argument is changing Clemency to oGCD makes PLD have more survival, that's completely wrong because less overall potency =/= more survival. All it means is that Clemency can be used without DPS loss.

If Sheltron doesn't cost gauge, it effectively means you get two Clemency casts per gauge on top of a Sheltron cast. That's better than the current standard of two Sheltrons and no Clemency casts.

[AnotherPerson]

If Sheltron doesn't cost gauge, it effectively means you get two Clemency casts per gauge on top of a Sheltron cast. That's better than the current standard of two Sheltrons and no Clemency casts.

No, that's for being lossless in DPS. As it stands currently, you get the current standard of 2 Sheltrons + 5 Clemency Casts (or more if you focus on regenerating MP) if you want to focus on survival. You only have 2 Sheltrons + no Clemency casts if you focus on DPS optimal gameplay.

That doesn't improve PLD's overall survivability because you trade more casts of Clemency with having lossless healing. You might as well put a separate oGCD healing skill for that if you want to increase PLD's overall survivability without DPS loss.

[Gserpent]

No, that's for being lossless in DPS. As it stands currently, you get the current standard of 2 Sheltrons + 5 Clemency Casts (or more if you focus on regenerating MP) if you want to focus on survival. You only have 2 Sheltrons + no Clemency casts if you focus on DPS optimal gameplay.

That doesn't improve PLD's overall survivability because you trade more casts of Clemency with having lossless healing. You might as well put a separate oGCD healing skill for that if you want to increase PLD's overall survivability without DPS loss.

Except you're never in any scenario where you need to actually halt DPS to pump Clemency. Not in any kind of content that actually matters.

And solo content doesn't matter, anyway, because other tanks are better at soloing stuff than PLD is, WAR especially. I think y'all are dramatically underestimating how much healing over time the combo finishers are... which PLD doesn't get. If PLD needs any added healing, it's on Royal Authority (or Atonement, I guess?)

[Rithy255]

Except you're never in any scenario where you need to actually halt DPS to pump Clemency. Not in any kind of content that actually matters.

And solo content doesn't matter, anyway, because other tanks are better at soloing stuff than PLD is, WAR especially. I think y'all are dramatically underestimating how much healing over time the combo finishers are... which PLD doesn't get. If PLD needs any added healing, it's on Royal Authority (or Atonement, I guess?)

Are you aware PLD gets healing for every magic attack cast or not...? PLD has too much rotational healing if anything, I want PLD's to have more control over their self healing.

Edit: (Espon)
That would actually be a good change generally I'd really love something like that, It's also done in a way that doesn't make oath gauge some "clemency gauge".

[Espon]

Are you aware PLD gets healing for every magic attack cast or not...? PLD has too much rotational healing if anything, I want PLD's to have more control over their self healing.

Pretty sure he doesn't even raid outside of normal modes. He's said several incorrect things so far and judging by his post history he just goes into random threads to troll people.