Why is everyone anxious about a PLD Rework?

[Rithy255]

I just wanna comment on how you could make clemency both a ogcd and gcd (might sound weird on paper)

Lets say you reworked oath so it had no ties to shelltron/Intervention, I'm guessing having 50 oath (or something) could proc clemency to become a OCD, Cost no Mp and be instant cast this would even be a "decent alternative" against outright removing current clemency.

I don't really think clemency should be a oath gauge thing either way just food for thought.

[Espon]

I just wanna comment on how you could make clemency both a ogcd and gcd (might sound weird on paper)

Lets say you reworked oath so it had no ties to shelltron/Intervention, I'm guessing having 50 oath (or something) could proc clemency to become a OCD, Cost no Mp and be instant cast this would even be a "decent alternative" against outright removing current clemency.

I don't really think clemency should be a oath gauge thing either way just food for thought.

I had a suggestion on earlier in this thread that I thought could work.

Random example: Expiacion grants a stack of Clarity. At 2 stacks Clemency has no cast time, costs no MP, and is off the global cooldown. Max 2 stacks.

This gives you a free oGCD Clemency every minute, with the first one being available after 30 seconds.

[Mithron]

I just find it baffling that Gserpent is literally posting what every normal and sane person thinks about Clemancy yet we got a tiny minority of incorrect opinions ganging up on him. May the devs know and see that they are indeed incorrect and Clemancy should be an OGCD.

[Rithy255]

I just find it baffling that Gserpent is literally posting what every normal and sane person thinks about Clemancy yet we got a tiny minority of incorrect opinions ganging up on him. May the devs know and see that they are indeed incorrect and Clemancy should be an OGCD.

No ones ganging up on him he's telling people that they're mad and shouldn't play the game if they disagree with him, actually a lot of people (here) seem to agree that it's fine to have more niche abilities

Again people want discussion without being reduced to name calling and telling people they're not allowed to disagree with current game design, at least read what's been said, If someone is going to be disrespectful then gets called out for it it's on them.

[Jirah]

I’d like to challenge the TC and say when was the last bloody beneficial rework the games had since HW? BRD maybe during 4.0 everything else has been (I say this for the 10th time now) a exercise in reduction and accessibility not a improvement

[ForsakenRoe]

I do find it a bit odd reading the words 'I dont want Oath gauge to become 'Clemency Gauge' because it's Sheltron Gauge as it stands... Honestly the more I think about it, the more I realize that OGCD Clemency would not just be 'good', it'd be strong to the point where it needs to be nerfed in potency to not make PLD be 'the absolute best at selfsustain ever move over WAR'. Every 22 seconds, PLD gets 1000p of burst heal, that's strong. For contrast, GNB's Aurora is 1200 per 45s

[Mithron]

I do find it a bit odd reading the words 'I dont want Oath gauge to become 'Clemency Gauge' because it's Sheltron Gauge as it stands... Honestly the more I think about it, the more I realize that OGCD Clemency would not just be 'good', it'd be strong to the point where it needs to be nerfed in potency to not make PLD be 'the absolute best at selfsustain ever move over WAR'. Every 22 seconds, PLD gets 1000p of burst heal, that's strong. For contrast, GNB's Aurora is 1200 per 45s

I know you're a healer main but would it be so bad for PLD to have awesome utility and healing with the trade-off being lowest DPS of the tanks? :P

[Gserpent]

I know you're a healer main but would it be so bad for PLD to have awesome utility and healing with the trade-off being lowest DPS of the tanks? :P

Honestly, I wish this sort of thing was even an option. We have four tanks, why can't we run the gamut from safest/lowest DPS to riskiest/highest DPS? GNB and DRK in the middle, WAR on top of the risky (berserker), PLD on the bottom of safe (plateboy.) It would require us to ignore the wailing of parsing nerds and the occasional odd "but meta!" type, but... is that even a bad thing? As long as it's not a *huge* difference in DPS, it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Even ultimates don't require you to be pumping 90th percentile theoretical DPS to clear, and maybe trading some DPS for a class that brings an extra button or two to cover for mistakes would be worth it.

Problem is, failed mechanics still result in a damage down, so I don't know how applicable this would even be. Too bad we can't just go back to vuln snacks...

[Sqwall]

I do find it a bit odd reading the words 'I dont want Oath gauge to become 'Clemency Gauge' because it's Sheltron Gauge as it stands... Honestly the more I think about it, the more I realize that OGCD Clemency would not just be 'good', it'd be strong to the point where it needs to be nerfed in potency to not make PLD be 'the absolute best at selfsustain ever move over WAR'. Every 22 seconds, PLD gets 1000p of burst heal, that's strong. For contrast, GNB's Aurora is 1200 per 45s

Clemency and Sheltron are the same healing potency. In what way would anyone use clemency over sheltron at this point.

Holy Sheltron >>>>>> Clemency. Just for the shear fact that it gives mitigation (equal to sentinel btw if but brief)...oGCD...and it's a strong heal to boot.

PLD's only every use clemency if the literal shit hit's the fan...Hallowed is down...a healer is dead....I'm out of oath...and a tank buster is incoming. Throw the raid? Or sacrifice a little DPS for something that might get us through?

PLD's a pretty big brain when you think about it....so much utility that goes pretty much unnoticed. I'm not the greatest PLD (WAR main), but I have taken PLD in savage for troll runs...and it's VERY strong in the defensive and utility category. The fact that I don't have to double weave or sometimes triple weave mitigation on PLD is a telling sign how strong it is.

It's strict rotation is another story....one miss step...2 GCD's off....and your toast rotation and DPS wise. You'll be out of raid buff windows so bad it becomes a lost cause, and then you just do your best. PLD's have to have tunneling issues....I know I do when I play PLD just due to how focused I am to not drift.

[Sqwall]

I do find it a bit odd reading the words 'I dont want Oath gauge to become 'Clemency Gauge' because it's Sheltron Gauge as it stands... Honestly the more I think about it, the more I realize that OGCD Clemency would not just be 'good', it'd be strong to the point where it needs to be nerfed in potency to not make PLD be 'the absolute best at selfsustain ever move over WAR'. Every 22 seconds, PLD gets 1000p of burst heal, that's strong. For contrast, GNB's Aurora is 1200 per 45s

They should just make it oGCD, but with a 60 sec cooldown. Much like equilibrium. Main differences with equal is that it can be buffed with thrill giving heals as strong as 40-50k if it crits. PLUS it gives a HoT that is decent.

Clemency will more then likely...be removed imo as it's just not really necessary when you compare it to the crazy heals PLD get's just by completing it's burst rotation.

Clemency is pretty much relegated to a novelty skill at this point. Like Six Sided Star, or Orogeny. Although, I should say I don't have AOE or silly skills on my hotbar in a savage setting.

Clemency is just different to not have it on my hot bar as it DOES have it's uses albeit...I never use it unless everything is going very wrong. Now Cover? THAT could get the boot or trait up treatment...cover is useless practically.