Toggle Jump

[ScapeZero]

I'm not sure if they can make it any more clear.
Interacting with your environment is gameplay. I'm pretty sure the ifrit thing was an example of one of the many things you can't do with it.

Im sure this is a improper translation.

People dont want jump to just see their characters jump. It would be an incredible waste of time making a jump animation just for it to be a jump animation. Doing something like this wont make anyone happy, it will just make the entire population mad. It will make the people who dont want jump mad because its a jump, and it will make those who want jump mad, because its god damn useless.

No one ever said "I want jump just so I can see my char jump". They said "Im sick of getting stuck on ankle high everythings, I want to be able to jump over this stupid thing". If the developers think people meant the former...well then I fear what 2.0 will actually be.

Also, yes, they can make it clear. Gameplay can mean a lot of things. It could mean actual platforming, it could mean evading attacks, and it could mean just moving around in the world. A way to make it clear to mean what you think it means would to be say "Its simply an animation. You will not be able to jump over things, off things, etc." Until they say that, Im assuming jump will work just like it does in every other MMO, FPS game, action game, etc, as it would be just a huge waste of time to make an animation thats bound to a key by default. What other animation is bound to a key by default? Why would they say "We added jump! We finally caught up to every other MMO since 2001!" when they really mean "Oh, we just bound a /jump emote to the spacebar?"

Not to mention, the developers have even said they might even add swimming to the game. Though its not looking like that will be in 2.0 launch and might never be added in, why would they say "We are adding in jumping, and we might even add in swimming too." Why would they talk about a way to traverse the world when they are just talking about something that is no more than an emote? It just doesnt make any logical sense to spend even 5 minutes working on a jump feature that doesnt allow you to jump over anything. By "gameplay" they must mean things like platforming, combat, and the such. Things that would require people to jump, rather than just cutting corners in the game world.

[Gramul]

I'm sure this is a improper translation....

I really hope it is. But that's only an assumption right now.

However, if it proves to be just an emote, would a toggle be so bad?

[ScapeZero]

I really hope it is. But that's only an assumption right now.

However, if it proves to be just an emote, would a toggle be so bad?

I would be perfectly fine with a toggle if its nothing more than an emote.

In fact, I would be on the side of "Take it out of the game, its just plain misleading" if its nothing more than an emote.

[Zaaku]

I'm not sure if they can make it any more clear.
Interacting with your environment is gameplay. I'm pretty sure the ifrit thing was an example of one of the many things you can't do with it.

It would be funny if it were not so concerning how many people don't seem to get this. On one hand I almost relish the coming anally rampaged sob fest when Jumping doesn't fix all their problems but the future of this game isn't worth the satisfaction of seeing people cry. It is close though.


This is the last time I'm going to repeat myself.

JUMPING
WON'T
FIX
BAD
MAPS

It seems a major hang up people have is the map collision and having a knee high trench halting their progress. Just because your character 'Jumps' doesn't mean he has left the ground as far as the game is concern. You have to create hit boxes and adjust the height for EVERY object in the GAME if you want to be able to actually "Jump" onto and over things. The undertaker we are speaking of is silly in scale. I mean that honesty. Imagine gong back over every single ledge, fence, rock, stream, elevation, and dead Lalafell pile in the game. Then adding a collision map to it. Ensuring it is the proper size so they can hurdle it without clipping. Do you allow them to stand atop the object or is it avoidance only?

[Zell]

People calling to toggle jump off have the stench of FFXI elitism. I know some of you, that's what your used to and don't want your delicate FFXI and FFXIV universe tampered with.

But please explain the purpose of the 123092101 emotes that we have. They serve no purpose other than to provide fun, immersion and general silliness.

Every argument you can make for "jumping" being pointless with no reason other than to have it, can be said for emotes. Some of the emotes are horrible, and some people use it way too much.... the cute factor, for some, is just as annoying as the jack rabbit jumping, but you dont' see me calling for a toggle off of all emotes.

You have to feel so entitled to call for a /jump off toggle. My goodness, how dare these WOW players infest my pure FFXI/FFXIV world. If there's jumping in FFXIV, it's the worst thing that can ever happen..... /sarcasm off.

[Gramul]

People calling to toggle jump off have the stench of FFXI elitism. I know some of you, that's what your used to and don't want your delicate FFXI and FFXIV universe tampered with.

But please explain the purpose of the 123092101 emotes that we have. They serve no purpose other than to provide fun, immersion and general silliness.

Every argument you can make for "jumping" being pointless with no reason other than to have it, can be said for emotes. Some of the emotes are horrible, and some people use it way too much.... the cute factor, for some, is just as annoying as the jack rabbit jumping, but you dont' see me calling for a toggle off of all emotes.

You have to feel so entitled to call for a /jump off toggle. My goodness, how dare these WOW players infest my pure FFXI/FFXIV world. If there's jumping in FFXIV, it's the worst thing that can ever happen..... /sarcasm off.

Because jumping is literally putting yourself above everyone else to single yourself out. A lot of us think that's annoying, more so than other emotes (which other games do have a toggle for), and a toggle would hurt no one. It's not like we're demanding it be taken out of the game, but if it serves no purpose than to be an action emote, then letting us turn it off sounds totally reasonable.

[Zell]

Because jumping is literally putting yourself above everyone else to single yourself out. A lot of us think that's annoying, more so than other emotes (which other games do have a toggle for), and a toggle would hurt no one. It's not like we're demanding it be taken out of the game, but if it serves no purpose than to be an action emote, then letting us turn it off sounds totally reasonable.

I've played many other mmo's with jumping. There are times where I jump 10 in a row, and there are times where I don't jump for an entire week. I don't care what you think of my ability to jump.

Jumping "literally" doesn't hurt anyone. Whatever offense you take to jumping exists solely within your own mind. That's a YOU problem, not a problem per se.

[Gramul]

I've played many other mmo's with jumping. There are times where I jump 10 in a row, and there are times where I don't jump for an entire week. I don't care what you think of my ability to jump.

Jumping "literally" doesn't hurt anyone. Whatever offense you take to jumping exists solely within your own mind. That's a YOU problem, not a problem per se.

Then why are you so adamant about not letting us have a toggle that won't hurt your experience in any way?

[Zumi]

I find the anti jump people really childish. I mean really your going to rage on the forum about them adding a new feature to the game? I find its the same group of people that rage over any new addition to the game that wasn't in FFXI, be in content finder, new instances, hamlets not being like besieged what have you. If it was up to you guys there would be no new features in the game.

Some people should just get over themselves and grow up and stop whining about every little new addition to FFXIV. All this rage from some people about having a simple jump feature is just ridiculous.

I don't see any other game community continue complain about having a jump feature, for example go check out Swtor or Aion, or WoW forums I bet you can't find a single topic complaining how there is jumping in those games.

[Gramul]

I find the anti jump people really childish. I mean really your going to rage on the forum about them adding a new feature to the game? I find its the same group of people that rage over any new addition to the game that wasn't in FFXI, be in content finder, new instances, hamlets not being like besieged what have you. If it was up to you guys there would be no new features in the game.

Some people should just get over themselves and grow up and stop whining about every little new addition to FFXIV. All this rage from some people about having a simple jump feature is just ridiculous.

I don't see any other game community continue complain about having a jump feature, for example go check out Swtor or Aion, or WoW forums I bet you can't find a single topic complaining how there is jumping in those games.

You don't see people complaining about jumping in those games because they have a purpose.