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[Krausus]

Twelve be good who shit in your wheaties this morning?

And yes, you are using the phrase wrong. 'Rose tinted glasses" and "Nostalgia goggles" infer that I am looking at FFXI and seeing a perfection of form without flaws. Which is quite untrue. I know what I ask for makes the game more difficult, increases time commitment, and puts more pressure on me as a player. I *like* those hardships because they bring out a higher quality community and experience.

As for my own agenda for tails. That is something I personally feel strongly about since SE saw fit to lead me on and targeted me as the core audience during their initial launch. IF you want to hate someone then damn the man who used FFXI's races in this new game. That single act has forever cemented FFXI's presence and player base in this title. Now that the deed is done all I want to see is the proper dues paid. Such as presenting the transposed Galka race in their original light.

No need to bite my head off. If you disagree with me it is a simple act to ignore or counter my argument. Attacking me for having opinions and desires is a pretty tasteless effort.


Tails.

you keep disputing the term Nostalgia goggles I do not think the term means what you think it means.

[Dragon]

Don't forget expensive dies!
...then again, I was a Thief, and a cheapass. I farmed and farmed but didn't like paying for a lot. Hence I didn't level corsair. It's interesting how I managed to level nin- never mind, you don't really have a choice in FFXI. NIN sub is a must.

Oh please.

I went 5 years without leveling NIN sub and I did just fine; even when I did level it, whether I was on DRG or DRK, I never used it (not to mention I even changed the views of a dozen DRGs that thought /nin was all they needed). Hell, the only reason I leveled it was to tank at 75 and to sub it for my... WHITE MAGE!

Then you never helped and you were that unique snowflake everyone hates. How does it feel knowing that the rest of your linkshell carried you through. PUP was one of the most useless jobs in almost every event in XI, and in no way balanced.

In fact if you liked PUP you probably should have rejoiced that you actually had some use in Abyssea and Voidwatch.

Please carry on talking about how your PUP was worthwhile in merit parties though.

I never leveled PUP, but it was quite useful wherein the player was at least skilled enough to utilize it, endgame-wise or level-wise. But hey, I bet you also believed DRK accuracy sucked also and that DRG was useless without the wyvern.

[Ingolf]

Oh please.

I went 5 years without leveling NIN sub and I did just fine; even when I did level it, whether I was on DRG or DRK, I never used it (not to mention I even changed the views of a dozen DRGs that thought /nin was all they needed). Hell, the only reason I leveled it was to tank at 75 and to sub it for my... WHITE MAGE!



I never leveled PUP, but it was quite useful wherein the player was at least skilled enough to utilize it, endgame-wise or level-wise. But hey, I bet you also believed DRK accuracy sucked also and that DRG was useless without the wyvern.

How was it useful exactly? Give me an example where it excelled. And no I don't think DRK accuracy sucked, they just sucked without an apoc. DRGs have always been mediocre without the Mythic.

[Dragon]

How was it useful exactly? Give me an example where it excelled.

They could DPS while support/healing.

And no I don't think DRK accuracy sucked, they just sucked without an apoc. DRGs have always been mediocre without the Mythic.

As I thought.

For a DRG like myself, I had a 6hit Penta-TP set with 18% haste and 95% accuracy as /sam, and almost had a full healing breath set (all I needed was Homam and one other piece perhaps). Not only was I one of the few, if not the only, DRG to solo Greater Colibri at 10k/hr or greater, I did it with only a Thalassocrat as my best weapon, I was also main-healer in my merit parties which I gathered myself, and I was DPS/healer throughout endgame (though I've also tanked Kirin periodically).


I hit 95% accuracy on DRK with my Moliones's combination (which I personally went out to achieve, mind you), and I didn't even have much endgame gear. Of course I also easily had a 6hit TP set and the same 18% haste set as with my DRG.

[Ingolf]

They could DPS while support/healing.



As I thought.

For a DRG like myself, I had a 6hit Penta-TP set with 18% haste and 95% accuracy as /sam, and almost had a full healing breath set (all I needed was Homam and one other piece perhaps). Not only was I one of the few, if not the only, DRG to solo Greater Colibri at 10k/hr or greater, I did it with only a Thalassocrat as my best weapon, I was also main-healer in my merit parties which I gathered myself, and I was DPS/healer throughout endgame (though I've also tanked Kirin periodically).


I hit 95% accuracy on DRK with my Moliones's combination (which I personally went out to achieve, mind you), and I didn't even have much endgame gear. Of course I also easily had a 6hit TP set and the same 18% haste set as with my DRG.

You were worse than a tomoe and hagun sam.

[Dragon]

You were worse than a tomoe and hagun sam.

Sounds more like you're just jealous.

[Ingolf]

Sounds more like you're just jealous.

Nope. Facts are facts. Everyone else agrees. DRG were decent soloers (not even the best at that) and that's the limit of it.

[Modoru]

Oh please.

I went 5 years without leveling NIN sub and I did just fine; even when I did level it, whether I was on DRG or DRK, I never used it (not to mention I even changed the views of a dozen DRGs that thought /nin was all they needed). Hell, the only reason I leveled it was to tank at 75 and to sub it for my... WHITE MAGE!

Well, if all you're using is DRK or DRG, then yeah, I'm not surprised you went without NIN. It's not exactly hard to believe at all. But then again, I'm talking about people who use something other than 2H weapons. You know, like Thief, Dancer [before], WHMs, RNG, BST [on occasion], BLU, COR. So, out of 19 jobs [excluding NIN itself for obvious reasons], that's 7, and even then, MNK, DRK, SAM and WAR had situational uses for it. It was in no way necessary for *every* job to have it, but for certain jobs, it was pretty much a standard, especially for me, as I mentioned before, being a Thief. Obviously, I've seen much more viable combinations what with /SAM for jobs like DRK/DRG/WAR.

Anyway, I digress, this thread is a mess, where's the report button.

[Dragon]

Well, if all you're using is DRK or DRG, then yeah, I'm not surprised you went without NIN. It's not exactly hard to believe at all. But then again, I'm talking about people who use something other than 2H weapons. You know, like Thief, Dancer [before], WHMs, RNG, BST [on occasion], BLU, COR. So, out of 19 jobs [excluding NIN itself for obvious reasons], that's 7, and even then, MNK, DRK, SAM and WAR had situational uses for it. It was in no way necessary for *every* job to have it, but for certain jobs, it was pretty much a standard, especially for me, as I mentioned before, being a Thief. Obviously, I've seen much more viable combinations what with /SAM for jobs like DRK/DRG/WAR.

Anyway, I digress, this thread is a mess, where's the report button.

Well perhaps you were.

However, I also had DNC at 75. Actually, I would never have bothered playing it without /nin since I don't like not being able to dual wield 1hd unless there's a shield. Meanwhile, I was actually told to bring /nin a few times as Drg or Drk; well I didn't quite mind it as much on DRK, but you would have had a frozen day in hell before seeing me sub-nin for DRG and I made sure people knew it.