Toggle Jump

[Jynx]

I find it funny how people have such a hard time detecting sarcasm on the internet.

[casker]

if that is sarcasm, it is among other inane ideas such as toggling jump, and the idea that the jump being added is a macro, which are apparently serious, so i apologize that it's hard to tell. furthermore, if you guys have been trolling me all along, please let me know so I can finally breathe a sigh of relief

[Jocko]

I must say, I'm in total agreement with Zaaku. The major appeal of XIV is it's grounded and realistic style, from the armor design to character animations. XIV nailed a visual style sweet spot, where things look functional and plausible, but also aesthetically interesting. Not ridiculous female bikini armor with frivolous spikes and glowing appendages, but also not plain and boring cloth and chainmail. It's a style that I hope they keep going into 2.0, and I'd lose a lot of interest in XIV if it loses that aspect

Anyway, to the point, I don't mind jumping if it's tasteful, but I have a feeling it's going to clash with the rest of the game's aesthetics. And since it will have no use mechanically, all adding a jump feature serves to do is harm the overall game

[Gramul]

I find it funny how people have such a hard time detecting sarcasm on the internet.

Sarcasm is mostly tone, and people read things in whatever tone they like. But. There are ways to manipulate that.

[Zaaku]

Ultimately, what you need is a tool to traverse these retarded 1-foot walls and inclines, 1-foot walls which are only actually retarded NOT because they are small, but because you can't traverse them. JUMPING is the best and most cost effective tool to get rid of these stupid situations while salvaging a natural sense of geography.

Alright. I can see where you are coming from. You don't want to be hindered by small obstacles yet at the same time don't want anything that is supposed to block your straight path to be obnoxiousness huge to get the point across that this is not to be walked through.

That last sentence is wrong however. An auto-bramble is the most effective and easiest to implement traversal mechanic. Purely from a technical stand point on behalf of those coding this mess. Not to mention the work load on the other departments of the Dev team who would be constructing the other elements free range jumping would require. Reworking of how models and armor interact. The landing animation, sound effects, collision detection and height clearances of objects in game world.

Having the animation and the act itself become automated preserves the (oh boy here we go) immersion of realism FFXIV has brought to the table with the down to Earth yet Fantastic world they've created. Has roots in nearly every Final Fantasy before it. On top of solving the problem of having small imperfections in the world exist and bring spirit to the surroundings without becoming a hassle for the movement of the players.

Personally I would prefer everything to remain as it is now without the vertical axis being explored but if we must have something this would be the best working model to get behind.

[BenBucket]

Heaven forbid some pixels on your screen move up and down.

[Enfarious]

Yes because filtering the animation is no big deal. The dev teams really has nothing better to do than to work on meaningless features for a minority of close minded people.

They did just that to add a jump emote ....

well in defense of the display head off. I like to see my characters hair and face. and for the sake of ppls immersion that they claim, you dont see knights in town wearing their helmets all the time they do take them off while they leave their body armor on.

So you could have just
/equip head
which would actually take off the helmet in town, I don't think that nights walked around with invisibutton helmets.

You can't argue for one toggle that serves no actual purpose but is just for aesthetics while knocking another that is the same thing. It's just arguing with yourself. If it's about immersion then shouldn't we have the toggle to ensure that all people are able to achieve equal immersion in the way they like. Not your way, since all things considered your way will not appeal to everyone, as mine won't.

Because it's an unbiased view. Bros.

It's also an uneducated one.

Any part of interacting with a game is considered gameplay.

I spam the quote because it seems like some people are having trouble reading or remembering it.

It's not that they have an issue with reading or remembering. It's that they got what they were after now the idea that everyone won't have to see it disturbs them. It's the self centered nature of (fill in blank as you see fit) to believe that everyone should, nay, must accept everything the way they like it because other people just aren't as important as them.

On the note of jumping and or a jumpani toggle. Jumping is going to lead to headaches, I jumpclimbed everywhere I could even off maps in many games. MMOs don't need jumping they need to be designed without platform elements because they aren't platform games. I get that alot of people want to be able to jump, useful or not, and if they can great. I don't see why those same people take offense to the idea of people that don't want/care about jumping and would rather not see it. Oh wait I do understand I covered that just a second ago.

FFS jump fans look at what your saying here, "Gimme jump gimme jump gimme jump, ok fuck everyone else move on to my next gimme gimme gimme."

Before the "Suck it up or quit" BS that i'm sure is coming. Point it back at yourself. If I need to quit your game now, you should have quit mine on day one then this whole discussion would be moot. Wait I forgot we're all players. Imagine we all wanted people to enjoy this game, wow what a truly novel idea.

As a side note, I look forward to making my first "Shit I'm stuck in this cliff I was trying to climb." GM call. Not to mention the "Up a tree" people, we all know it'll happen if they make jump functional withing the environment and not just an emote. Wonder if we'll be able to slip up ontop of the sky and walk everywhere out of aggro range of mobs.

[Dragon]

I find the anti jump people really childish. I mean really your going to rage on the forum about them adding a new feature to the game? I find its the same group of people that rage over any new addition to the game that wasn't in FFXI, be in content finder, new instances, hamlets not being like besieged what have you. If it was up to you guys there would be no new features in the game.

The only people raging are those like you that are only for a choice until you don't like it.

Some people should just get over themselves and grow up and stop whining about every little new addition to FFXIV. All this rage from some people about having a simple jump feature is just ridiculous.

Again, the only people raging in this thread are those like yourself that are adamantly against the choice of being able to toggle jump on and off.

I don't see any other game community continue complain about having a jump feature, for example go check out Swtor or Aion, or WoW forums I bet you can't find a single topic complaining how there is jumping in those games.

I don't remember caring about such awful games.

I'm just not sure why this is even a big deal. There are a ton of things that could use attention in FFXIV right now and you chose this to focus on? Seriously, it's like hopping on the short bus to ride it to school, then complaining the bus is full of retards.

Then why do you make it such a big deal by opposing it? If it's not a big deal, then don't waste your time opposing it. My being able to toggle jump is not going to hurt you, period.

Heaven forbid some pixels on your screen move up and down.

Heaven forbid that I be able to have an option that won't effect you.

They did just that to add a jump emote ....



So you could have just
/equip head
which would actually take off the helmet in town, I don't think that nights walked around with invisibutton helmets.

You can't argue for one toggle that serves no actual purpose but is just for aesthetics while knocking another that is the same thing. It's just arguing with yourself. If it's about immersion then shouldn't we have the toggle to ensure that all people are able to achieve equal immersion in the way they like. Not your way, since all things considered your way will not appeal to everyone, as mine won't.



It's also an uneducated one.




It's not that they have an issue with reading or remembering. It's that they got what they were after now the idea that everyone won't have to see it disturbs them. It's the self centered nature of (fill in blank as you see fit) to believe that everyone should, nay, must accept everything the way they like it because other people just aren't as important as them.

On the note of jumping and or a jumpani toggle. Jumping is going to lead to headaches, I jumpclimbed everywhere I could even off maps in many games. MMOs don't need jumping they need to be designed without platform elements because they aren't platform games. I get that alot of people want to be able to jump, useful or not, and if they can great. I don't see why those same people take offense to the idea of people that don't want/care about jumping and would rather not see it. Oh wait I do understand I covered that just a second ago.

FFS jump fans look at what your saying here, "Gimme jump gimme jump gimme jump, ok fuck everyone else move on to my next gimme gimme gimme."

Before the "Suck it up or quit" BS that i'm sure is coming. Point it back at yourself. If I need to quit your game now, you should have quit mine on day one then this whole discussion would be moot. Wait I forgot we're all players. Imagine we all wanted people to enjoy this game, wow what a truly novel idea.

As a side note, I look forward to making my first "Shit I'm stuck in this cliff I was trying to climb." GM call. Not to mention the "Up a tree" people, we all know it'll happen if they make jump functional withing the environment and not just an emote. Wonder if we'll be able to slip up ontop of the sky and walk everywhere out of aggro range of mobs.

Thank you Enfarious.

[Cendres]

Uneducated..... /knee slap. lolololol. Just keeps getting more priceless. My last post here I promise. lol.

[Nabiri]

Perhaps I just really don't understand humans sometimes..

People fought for a feature and they got it.
Other people don't like said feature and are asking for an option to not see/use it.. Something that would not hurt or bother the first party.
BOTH groups would be happy.
But the group who got what they wanted has to come and bully the group who doesn't want.
"No, you should be forced to see this just because!"
"We have what we want~ We win~ You can't have what you want too! Or else we wouldn't be winners!"
"The Dev team is only allowed to spend time making US 'useless' features."
"Stop whining. All you do is complaaaain."
Going so far as saying people who merely dislike something are "raging" and "bitching.."

Why all the hate and immaturity?
Are there really more people who would rather fight and bully each other than compromise, work together, and be peaceful with each other? Is it not better to have everyone happy? Does that not make a better community?

What a sad world we live in.