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[KoujiGeki]

you problem is your comparing them to sam. Sam was completely overpowered in 11. Thats why they nerf Tachi gekko but it still did big damage. And i took Hydra done to half HP in Nyzul Isle floor 100 as Sam without a Hagun when that thing was actually the best weapon in game for Sam. Walk in with 300 tp use the Sekkanoki 2 weaponskills, Meikyo Shisui 3 more, and the dusty wing 3 more ws. Sam pretty much had only 1 stat modifier which was Str for almost all there tp more where a job like Drk was either Str and Int or Str and Mnd which almost no gear had either stat on them. I wouldnt say that Abyssea balanced it, i agree to that but it allowed the other jobs to start spamming their ws as much as Sam and could get their stats to even out Like Drks str and Mnd, to do massive dmg.

[Ingolf]

you problem is your comparing them to sam. Sam was completely overpowered in 11. Thats why they nerf Tachi gekko but it still did big damage. And i took Hydra done to half HP in Nyzul Isle floor 100 as Sam without a Hagun when that thing was actually the best weapon in game for Sam. Walk in with 300 tp use the Sekkanoki 2 weaponskills, Meikyo Shisui 3 more, and the dusty wing 3 more ws. Sam pretty much had only 1 stat modifier which was Str for almost all there tp more where a job like Drk was either Str and Int or Str and Mnd which almost no gear had either stat on them. I wouldnt say that Abyssea balanced it, i agree to that but it allowed the other jobs to start spamming their ws as much as Sam and could get their stats to even out Like Drks str and Mnd, to do massive dmg.

I never said that the game was balanced. SAM was completely overpowered, and it made playing other DDs pointless. A tomoe SAM outdid every DRG on piercing weak mobs, and the hagun was superior to every other DD in every other situation.

[CrystalWeapon]

I never said that the game was balanced. SAM was completely overpowered, and it made playing other DDs pointless. A tomoe SAM outdid every DRG on piercing weak mobs, and the hagun was superior to every other DD in every other situation.

This statement makes me wonder how much you actually play xi. Drakesbane will completely outdo penta on a well geared drg. It's also exclusive to the job, and was in place for a long time before the level cap increase past 75. I don't see how a sam can outdd a drg/sam that's using drakes on peircing weak mobs...

[Ingolf]

This statement makes me wonder how much you actually play xi. Drakesbane will completely outdo penta on a well geared drg. It's also exclusive to the job, and was in place for a long time before the level cap increase past 75. I don't see how a sam can outdd a drg/sam that's using drakes on peircing weak mobs...

Overwhelm. Weaponskill frequency. Sekkanokki.

[Jokerz]

@ Ingolf

It really is arrogant to think jobs like PUP and DRG were horrible jobs when it's not true. A well geared and knowledgeable player was need to excel at those jobs, pup in particular. PUP was one of the jobs where you needed the correct attachments as well as someone who knew how to properly utilize them to be particularly proficient with it, that is the reason behind the stereotypes about the job. I've seen what exceptional PUP's can do. DRG's were amazing when in the hands of a player who knew what they were doing.

I will say I've seen crappy SAM's however who didn't do things such as focus on a X-hit build, I've seen WAR's do things such as woodville/joy-toy, BLM's that couldn't control their hate and RDM's that couldn't maintain a refresh cycle...

One issue I do agree with you on is that not all jobs were particularly balanced for endgame.

[Dragon]

@ Ingolf

It really is arrogant to think jobs like PUP and DRG were horrible jobs when it's not true. A well geared and knowledgeable player was need to excel at those jobs, pup in particular. PUP was one of the jobs where you needed the correct attachments as well as someone who knew how to properly utilize them to be particularly proficient with it, that is the reason behind the stereotypes about the job. I've seen what exceptional PUP's can do. DRG's were amazing when in the hands of a player who knew what they were doing.

I will say I've seen crappy SAM's however who didn't do things such as focus on a X-hit build, I've seen WAR's do things such as woodville/joy-toy, BLM's that couldn't control their hate and RDM's that couldn't maintain a refresh cycle...

One issue I do agree with you on is that not all jobs were particularly balanced for endgame.

Yup.

I've known plenty of weakling Sams and Wars (hell, there is no glory in having outparsed any bad player), but I knew plenty of Wars and Sams that geared themselves up. At the end of the day, every job had their awful players and their good players - it just so happened that some endgame linkshells would rather take in an awful player on a job they perceived as good than a good player that had good gear on a job perceived as bad.

[Krausus]

well at least this thread is no longer about jumping

[darkm0d]

well at least this thread is no longer about jumping

Indeed. This thread is now about potato's.

[Dragon]

well at least this thread is no longer about jumping

It's now about cheesecake. ^.^;;

[Gramul]

What even IS this thread anymore?