Can we make Eos and Selene one button?

[Shihen]

Just wondering if we can make Eos and Selene one button. They can both be out and just hang around each other. Eos can do the animation for Whispering Dawn and Selene can do the animation for Fey Illumination. Then they can do a little dbz fusion animation or something for Seraph. They could even have a little idle animation where they chat. It's sad that they're sisters yet never get to hang out with each other.

[ForsakenRoe]

Aren't they explained to be two forms of the same entity (Lily)?

[fulminating]

can't we just have faeries that do different things back instead?

[Shihen]

Okay, nevermind.

[Tiramu]

can't we just have faeries that do different things back instead?

That would be the ideal scenario, yes. As it is right now, it serves no purpose to have 2 fairies. Going even further, I think it would be nice if we had more fairies that all bring different benefits.

[Rongway]

The main issue that we had back when there were two faeries was that DPS conscious healers would exclusively use the faerie that boosted party DPS and the overhealing healers would exclusively use the healing focused faerie. If we go back to two different faeries with distinct abilities, we'll go back to that. And if you're only ever going to use one of the faeries, why even have two faeries?

Better would be to have both kinds of faerie actions always available regardless of which faerie you actually have summoned, and just make the animation for each action cause the fairy to twirl around and transform into the appropriate aspect, without having to explicitly summon the opposite aspect and without actually changing the pet instance. Just the model and animation.


Then you could pick your favorite to have out most of the time, and only put that one button on your bar, but you could still use all the faerie actions. Suppose you choose to Summon Selene because she's the best because purple. Then whenever you use Whispering Dawn, as part of the animation she would quick change to Eos, throw the glitter, then quick change back to Selene. But if you had Eos out, Whispering Dawn would just make her throw the glitter with no transformations. Likewise, with Eos out, Fey Whisper would make her quick change to Selene, do the thing, then quick change back to Eos.

That way, everyone gets to keep their favorite faerie out, everyone can choose to keep only one of the buttons on their bar if they want, nobody locks themselves out of half their faerie actions, and the lore regarding the two faerie aspects doesn't need to be retconned.

[flowerfairy]

The main issue that we had back when there were two faeries was that DPS conscious healers would exclusively use the faerie that boosted party DPS and the overhealing healers would exclusively use the healing focused faerie. If we go back to two different faeries with distinct abilities, we'll go back to that. And if you're only ever going to use one of the faeries, why even have two faeries?

Better would be to have both kinds of faerie actions always available regardless of which faerie you actually have summoned, and just make the animation for each action cause the fairy to twirl around and transform into the appropriate aspect, without having to explicitly summon the opposite aspect and without actually changing the pet instance. Just the model and animation.

I'd still like for SCH's gameplay aspect to be choosing a fairy and adapting to situations with that fairy. Not only was Selene having a DPS option an issue like you said, but the rest of her kit would be otherwise useless in endgame today. Silence is covered by p.ranged/tanks and Esuna barely sees use. Having both fairies' abilities on the hotbar might also see some issues with button bloat.

I think Selene should get relevant utility/mitigation tools that don't effect DPS. Maybe buff a target with Eye for an Eye, or have a small shield, or buff magic defense, or maybe even Expedient which would've been perfect for Selene. Eos could get pure healing tools, such as her staple regen, a heal GCD potency buff, Fey Blessing as it is now, or maybe AoE Excog from pvp. I think something like this, paired with an oGCD that swaps Eos/Selene on a longish cooldown, would see more use from both of them and reinforce SCH's identity as the pet healer.

[Marxam]

can't we just have faeries that do different things back instead?

Missed opportunity to have AST and SCH be dual healers with the former having Diurnal/Noct and the latter having Eos/Selene. Also I feel like Dissipation should have been both faeries out at the same time.

[Kansene]

Also I feel like Dissipation should have been both faeries out at the same time.

Aw man, imagine if you had a mechanical choice between fairies and Dissipation temporarily gave you an improved version if the one not currently out.

[Rongway]

I'd still like for SCH's gameplay aspect to be choosing a fairy and adapting to situations with that fairy. Not only was Selene having a DPS option an issue like you said, but the rest of her kit would be otherwise useless in endgame today. Silence is covered by p.ranged/tanks and Esuna barely sees use. Having both fairies' abilities on the hotbar might also see some issues with button bloat.

Then have a single Summon Faerie button that has a cast time if no faerie is out but thereafter becomes an instant oGCD that quickswaps faeries. Potential button bloat eliminated. Regardless, swapping faeries to access the other set of actions needs to be instant and oGCD or else we'll still have the problem of people only ever using one of the faeries.