Do you think frontline needs its own rules?

[LowIQ]

jump in and out of fights.

SAM main I guess? Waiting for my LB to fill, "jump in", cheese some cheap kills, "jump out" and then afk until the next LB isn't really my thing.

[Ransu]

SAM main I guess? Waiting for my LB to fill, "jump in", cheese some cheap kills, "jump out" and then afk until the next LB isn't really my thing.

I don't really play SAM in pvp. SAM is kind of terrible imo. I usually play BRD in both FL and CC and if I jump into melee its normally DRG. Rest of the time I'm pretty much always on BLM in CC, sometimes MCH.

You have to jump in and out as melee in frontlines because that's simply how it works. If you hang around too long you're going to just get nuked by the zerg. Pick a target that is out of place, burst them and get out, unless you just like the idea of dying all the time and never having battle high built up to be able to reliably burst people down.

[Valence]

They could bring back 8v8v8 FL

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

They could bring back 8v8v8 FL

They could also in the same breath bring back Fetter Ward for every job as a means to combat excessive CC...

but that is just my opinion that most usually discard.

[Knot_D]

They could bring back 8v8v8 FL

Lemme tell you that 8v8 is sucks with 6.1 PvP if your teammates have few tank/melee and only use caster/ranged. JP Secure does 8v8 on A and C alliance and basically if your party don't have majority melee or tank, or even SAM and NIN, you will get pushed out easily.

JP Secure is just like Japanese Shogun War with all of those SAM and NIN...

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

JP Secure is just like Japanese Shogun War with all of those SAM and NIN...

Who would've guessed that instakills / kill-confirms will be favoured in largescale fights, never saw that one coming. /s

[Divinemights]

Are you playing a melee job?

I play Monk and I really don’t have much issue.
If I die I know the cause is I am being too greedy in baiting people.

[Valence]

Lemme tell you that 8v8 is sucks with 6.1 PvP if your teammates have few tank/melee and only use caster/ranged. JP Secure does 8v8 on A and C alliance and basically if your party don't have majority melee or tank, or even SAM and NIN, you will get pushed out easily.

JP Secure is just like Japanese Shogun War with all of those SAM and NIN...

That's a byproduct of melee resists in FLs, which would obviously have to be adjusted.

[Esmoire]

I think there are delicate ways to improve FL

Bringing back 10 second immunity on CC.

Take some of these LBs and actions and give them fall-off when affecting more than five targets.

With the above in mind, take away WHM/SMN damage penalty but cap their LBs. Also lower damage reduction for all jobs.

Maybe revise the battle high system to monitor extremes in damage.

If you are going to SAM instant kill LB, it would be better if it could be readily identified on the target.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Nothing like 6 people hitting a ninja for a full minute and barely making a dent in their health, only for them to automatically escape because ninja.

Or accidentally clipping a SAM you didn't notice with an AoE and instantly dying for it.

FL has absolutely massive issues, and tbh most of it boils down to 3 factors imo:

- CC is way too rampant, and needs diminishing returns in there.

- 60% DR for all melee is a sloppy fix, they should apply different values based on individual jobs, and not just melee. DNC gets zero DR and is more of a melee job than NIN is.

- instant kill LBs do not belong in PvP imo, in any mode. Getting an instant death sentence and losing your battle high because of accidental clipping or daring to go below 50% health invariably makes it feel like your death wasn't earned by the opponent.

One of the best posts I've seen in a long time. Absolutely spot on.