Frontlines are so slow now

[Reimmi]

Again, its frontlines. Who cares about balance in a mode with 72 players? Melee are fine as they are right now in frontlines. If they didn't have the DR%'s they have right now they'd be unplayable and they 100% were completely unplayable in FL back in the day before they came up with the DR% idea.

Some of the melee need the dr absolutely. Monk and reaper do
Dragoon could be lowered and i dont think ninja needs any since it has 1 melee attack and a combo it rarely uses and way more defensives than the other melee, when dancer is more melee than ninja that says something

[RydiaFey]

Again, its frontlines. Who cares about balance in a mode with 72 players? Melee are fine as they are right now in frontlines. If they didn't have the DR%'s they have right now they'd be unplayable and they 100% were completely unplayable in FL back in the day before they came up with the DR% idea.

Obviously SE cares because they continue to balance the mode. DR was added because they want it balanced. The popularity of Frontlines balance threads and consistent feedback from the community speaks for itself.

I never said they don't need DR, I'm saying they have too much and it could be more engaging than a passive auto win buff.

To keep it simple each job no matter it's classification has a different kit, so a blanket DR doesn't make sense when roles have been so watered down. For example ninja is barely melee, and deserves DR/HP more like Rdm has.

[Jettinson]

Again, its frontlines. Who cares about balance in a mode with 72 players? Melee are fine as they are right now in frontlines. If they didn't have the DR%'s they have right now they'd be unplayable and they 100% were completely unplayable in FL back in the day before they came up with the DR% idea.

There is something stupid and messed up having a melee non tank dive in, forcing a whole group to waste all their burst on it and still see that one kicking.
Makes CC even more demanding than before because if you cannot disable the target, well enjoy wasting more time attacking.


There needs to be individual class adjustment for DR based on what they can do + environment.

[Ransu]

There is something stupid and messed up having a melee non tank dive in, forcing a whole group to waste all their burst on it and still see that one kicking.
Makes CC even more demanding than before because if you cannot disable the target, well enjoy wasting more time attacking.


There needs to be individual class adjustment for DR based on what they can do + environment.

Stop dying and build up your battle high? You can solo most melee at 100% battle high on practically any dps.

Also, if a dps is diving into a group like a tank and not dying....sorry not sorry but those players are extremely bad....which is common in FL. Most people don't know how to pvp.

[Kansene]

You can solo most melee at 100% battle high on practically any dps.

While there is merit to the rest of your post to a degree, this one is blatantly just... I'm not buying it at all. A BLM emptying their entire LB whilst at full battle high on a stationary melee who does nothing to defend themselves whatsoever might be able to "solo" it, sure, but I'm pretty convinced it's borderline mathematically impossible for a ranged DPS to solo a melee who fights back currently.

[Ransu]

While there is merit to the rest of your post to a degree, this one is blatantly just... I'm not buying it at all. A BLM emptying their entire LB whilst at full battle high on a stationary melee who does nothing to defend themselves whatsoever might be able to "solo" it, sure, but I'm pretty convinced it's borderline mathematically impossible for a ranged DPS to solo a melee who fights back currently.

I have zero problem doing so when I'm on BRD and they objectively do much less damage than BLM. Once at 100% battle high I can consistently burn melee down pretty quickly during my silence burst window.

[Kansene]

You can solo most melee at 100% battle high on practically any dps.

I have zero problem doing so when I'm on BRD and they objectively do much less damage than BLM. Once at 100% battle high I can consistently burn melee down pretty quickly during my silence burst window.

Alright, lemme share what I just tested. Let me know if there are any adjustments within FLs I have not taken into consideration during this simulation, also I am objectively horrible at math:

I stood at maximum distance from a target dummy on the wolf's den pier. Target dummies take the full potency of all skills, always.
Abilities used, and in what order:

Total damage: 46 740

It's worth noting that the abilities were used in a slightly incorrect order (empyreal arrow loosed too early, but everything followed Apex Arrow and as such there should be no DPS loss)

Assuming the 10% increase from Apex is stacked on top of BH, I added the 50% BH bonus first, then put 10% on top of that.
Total damage when accounting for battle high: 77 121

I then applied a 60% decrease to simulate the damage reduction a melee job has.
Total damage when accounting for melee damage reduction: 46 272.6

I then switched my job to monk.
This is my max health as a monk:


Unless I've made a grave miscalculation somewhere here, and the maths work differently than being additive then subtractive (feel free to enlighten me on this), this entire burst window (which by the way takes longer than the 3 sec silence window lasts), executed while under the effects of your LB, at the ideal range, in perfect conditions is literally not enough to even take down the health pool of a monk who's AFKing.
So I gotta ask, how are you soloing melees who are also fighting back against you?
Once your burst is spent, you'll be dealing wet noodle damage for ages, even with full BH. Against a melee who uses heals and defensives, it's simply not enough.

Don't get me wrong, it's a lot of damage, and it's of great help in FLs. Bards are amazing at setting up kills and helping burst people down. I main a BRD in PvP myself, both in FL and CC. But it's pretty hard to take your claim of soloing melee at face value given what I've not only experienced over the course of 321 frontlines in Endwalker (this character was made in June or July, don't recall the exact date), but also this brief experiment.

DISCLAIMER: Soloing people should not be a metric for a job's PvP viability, as the game is balanced around team fights.

EDIT: Adjusted the 10%/50% stacking from Apex/BH to make the result as favorable to the BRD player as possible, though I don't know in which order they're prioritized.

EDIT 2: Actually bungled up the math here. The end result you're seeing is everything under the Apex Arrow buff, then with added battle high, THEN with 10% on top of that, so this result is actually way higher than the actual damage total would be. Again, I'm awful at math.

EDIT 3: It occurs to me that it might stack in the way that BH is stacked first, then all non-BH buffs on top of it as a base, in which case I'm too smoothbrained to math it out without literally attacking an actual AFK melee in an actual FL, which is more effort and chance than I am willing to put into this. Suffice to say, I remain highly skeptical that it will achieve a total damage value of 60K against a melee.

[Towa-Musa]

While there is merit to the rest of your post to a degree, this one is blatantly just... I'm not buying it at all. A BLM emptying their entire LB whilst at full battle high on a stationary melee who does nothing to defend themselves whatsoever might be able to "solo" it, sure, but I'm pretty convinced it's borderline mathematically impossible for a ranged DPS to solo a melee who fights back currently.

while he has a point, you still cannot solo a ninja at 100% battle high as a bard or BLM

[Knot_D]

Stop dying and build up your battle high?

Since you're a BRD, you're easily building battle high because their buffs, including their LB, counts as assist whenever your teammates defeat someone. It's difficult for a job like RDM to build battle high unless they're diving to packs and hoping for not targeted...

[Elfidan]

I believe it. BRD is actually really good right now.