Thread: Square, please balance Deep Dungeon 6.3 for 70-90, not just 81+!

You do know that the alternative to a Deep Dungeon in Shadowbringers is Bozja, yes? If they can unlock this and other forms of content, then they can unlock Bozja as well. There's zero need to do this for 70-80; we already have that, and it's arguably just as easy since all you do is fight FATEs. FATEs which give as much exp as a Deep Dungeon would. This is by design: Bozja is the place you go to to mass-level jobs at that tier.

...Sure, and you could also do map FATEs, Trust leveling, Roulettes, and Beast Tribes for xp from 70+ too. I know Bozja exists, that doesn't mean it's Deep Dungeon, so for people who say "I want to level this alt entirely through Deep Dungeon" it means just as little as "Just do roulettes".

Originally Posted by AvalonBright

...Sure, and you could also do map FATEs, Trust leveling, Roulettes, and Beast Tribes for xp from 70+ too. I know Bozja exists, that doesn't mean it's Deep Dungeon, so for people who say "I want to level this alt entirely through Deep Dungeon" it means just as little as "Just do roulettes".

I mean, they can. But it's not the same. You want a quick place to get EXP, normal overworld content isn't going to give you half as much EXP as Bozja does.

Bozja's tuned to be the equivalent of a Deep Dive.

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I mean, they can. But it's not the same. You want a quick place to get EXP, normal overworld content isn't going to give you half as much EXP as Bozja does.

Bozja's tuned to be the equivalent of a Deep Dive.

I think what OP is asking for is more options, and i see no downside with having that.
Deep dungeons always scale you to its level anyway, whats the harm in letting people use it to level at lower levels?
as long as you have a job stone (should be a requirement for anything past 30 tbh) there's no reason not to. People would still do bozja for relics and gil etc, and leveling if they prefer bozja.

Originally Posted by AvalonBright

...Sure, and you could also do map FATEs, Trust leveling, Roulettes, and Beast Tribes for xp from 70+ too. I know Bozja exists, that doesn't mean it's Deep Dungeon, so for people who say "I want to level this alt entirely through Deep Dungeon" it means just as little as "Just do roulettes".

SE told us it's specifically the Shadowbringers replacement for Deep Dungeon in the leveling process That's why it gets mentioned.

If you don't like it, then you do have the other options.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

You could as easily say then that there was no point in one among Palace of the Dead and Diadem or Heaven on High or Eureka.

What harm would there be in having Deep Dungeon options all the way to 90, instead of randomly skipping the 70-80 span?

Yes, there was no point. Because guess what: POTD and HOH were places to get Experience. You cannot level up in Eureka nor in Diadem. Well... you can in Diadem, but not the fighting classes.

Also, "what harm"? idk, maybe keeping old content alive, for one? Rather than usurping it with a deep dive when Bozja was designed specifically to be a replacement? You're not skipping ANYTHING. Why are you so adamant we're skipping?? Because it's not a randomly-generated dungeon? We're skipping a form of content, but not the purpose itself. You want to level up, you go there, there's no SKIPPING anywhere.

Have you guys even done these contents at all to know what you're comparing them to?
Because no person is so daft as to compare Eureka to POTD. But Bozja you can. Why? Because it was designed that way, it was made to be the replacement of a Deep Dungeon.

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

You're not skipping ANYTHING. Why are you so adamant we're skipping?? Because it's not a randomly-generated dungeon? We're skipping a form of content, but not the purpose itself.

By that logic, if someone does Savage for the gear, they'd lose nothing if there was no Savage next expansion, replacing it instead with BiS coming from casual content.

Just because you do Content X solely for Reward A does not mean that's true for everyone else.

Because it was designed that way, it was made to be the replacement of a Deep Dungeon.

It wasn't made "as a replacement for Deep Dungeon." The Deep Dungeon simply wasn't also included, unlike the previous two expansions, because "Sorry, guys, but we don't have development time for both."

You guys want to replace content that already does exactly what you want

If experience grind were the sole thing people wanted from deep dungeons, this thread probably wouldn't exist. For all you know, one's reasoning could be "Bozja is depressingly fugly and I'd prefer any other way to level, but am bored of the 70-80 dungeons and FATEs."

Nor would an alternative remove existing content.

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

You do know that the alternative to a Deep Dungeon in Shadowbringers is Bozja, yes? If they can unlock this and other forms of content, then they can unlock Bozja as well. There's zero need to do this for 70-80; we already have that, and it's arguably just as easy since all you do is fight FATEs. FATEs which give as much exp as a Deep Dungeon would. This is by design: Bozja is the place you go to to mass-level jobs at that tier.

If people look back at Eureka, one can see this is the case. Eureka didn't level jobs. When Bozja was introduced and no deep dungeon was made for ShB, it properly took the place of the alternative leveling space. They then made it so one could get to 90, so it could remain relevant.

I've tried leveling in DD and I was never impressed by it. Maybe the good xp is down deeper, but I hadn't been able to get there at the time.