Square, please balance Deep Dungeon 6.3 for 70-90, not just 81+!

**Shurrikhan** · 11-13-2022 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

OP's post was literally about the experience being available for lower level characters. You are the one who moved the goalpost past that.

The OP's title alone was that. The actual post had more context, including asking why Eureka was made/left so useless to leveling (e.g., why players couldn't just level jobs without gaps through just Exploratory Missions if they so pleased, or even the EM of their choice?).

It essentially comes down to, "Hey, would there be time enough through adjustments to HoH's ceiling or Othas's floor to allow one to level just through DD if they wanted? If so, I'd really like that. (Aside, might the same be done for Exploratory Missions)?"

Your responses have been, to put it mildly, pretty damn aggressive:

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

<The only appeal of DD could only ever be EXP grinding, so all means of EXP grinding are literally the same thing and therefore there's already functionally a 70-80 DD (Bozja) despite it playing nothing like a DD.>

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

<Anyone asking not to have content variety arbitrarily gated or forced into alternation is "moronic".>

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

<Anyone who feels that any part of DD and Exploratory Missions aren't identical are "obtuse" and lead to brain cell death.>

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

<Anyone asking not to have content variety arbitrarily gated must be an entitled PoS. (Now let me whataboutism shortfalls that, while more impactful, aren't nearly so easily addressed.)>

Like... why? I get that you think Bozja would be risk and want to protect a favored content form here...

--though you've yet to point out how 4-man content that tends to be much less exp-efficient than it would somehow starve it of players, especially if you're right in that the two are identical content forms and only played for job-leveling... despite your preferring one over the other for reasons other than exp generation--

...but how is that level of vitriol remotely necessary?

**Deveryn** · 11-13-2022 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

POTD does that. And it's easily the most forgettable part of POTD.

Yeah, it didn't seem worth mentioning. I'm focused on HoH and beyond as I feel like that set the tone for future Deep Dungeons.

**Hasrat** · 11-13-2022 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Deveryn

Yeah, it didn't seem worth mentioning. I'm focused on HoH and beyond as I feel like that set the tone for future Deep Dungeons.

This is really the more valid point than all the "you can get exp from other stuff" posts.

However..

I'd maybe still put forth a case that DD could maybe stand to cover more than a 10 level range, either forwards or backwards, simply to allow room for cases like Bozja, when they just can't or won't add a new DD for a given expansion. If Bozja can cover a wider range, not really seeing why any DD couldn't do the same. For that matter, if Bozja can sync players to (at the time) cap, can't see why they couldn't design DD similarly and skip all the boring leveling parts.

That said, I ain't really got any piece of this argument. I've barely touched the DD we've got, myself. And, truthfully, completely fine with having sorta alternating content. I think it'd probably be perfectly fine to see them swap DD and EM or whatever else with each expansion. Much the same way I'm glad to see relic weapons divorced of the specially instanced content this go round. Is probably healthy for the game to have that variety.

**Sotaris** · 11-13-2022 07:12 PM

**Zebraoracle** · 11-13-2022 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Hasrat

This is really the more valid point than all the "you can get exp from other stuff" posts.

However..

I'd maybe still put forth a case that DD could maybe stand to cover more than a 10 level range, either forwards or backwards, simply to allow room for cases like Bozja, when they just can't or won't add a new DD for a given expansion. If Bozja can cover a wider range, not really seeing why any DD couldn't do the same. For that matter, if Bozja can sync players to (at the time) cap, can't see why they couldn't design DD similarly and skip all the boring leveling parts.

That said, I ain't really got any piece of this argument. I've barely touched the DD we've got, myself. And, truthfully, completely fine with having sorta alternating content. I think it'd probably be perfectly fine to see them swap DD and EM or whatever else with each expansion. Much the same way I'm glad to see relic weapons divorced of the specially instanced content this go round. Is probably healthy for the game to have that variety.

Bozja is scaling going forward into the next expansion level set and doesn't make other content irrelevant. Making a DD for an expansion scale back into the previous expansion does the opposite. Simple as that. Plus the whole having to level through 71-80 AGAIN for people who want to do the DD for the content's sake and not for leveling, that doesn't sound even remotely fun.

**Rezef** · 11-14-2022 01:29 AM

Bozja was the ShB way to level up fro. 71 to 80. The new deep dungeon is for EW therefore it makes full sense if it is for 81 to 90 in my opinion.

**Jojoya** · 11-14-2022 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by AvalonBright

...Sure, and you could also do map FATEs, Trust leveling, Roulettes, and Beast Tribes for xp from 70+ too. I know Bozja exists, that doesn't mean it's Deep Dungeon, so for people who say "I want to level this alt entirely through Deep Dungeon" it means just as little as "Just do roulettes".

SE told us it's specifically the Shadowbringers replacement for Deep Dungeon in the leveling process That's why it gets mentioned.

If you don't like it, then you do have the other options.

**Bukachu** · 11-14-2022 04:15 AM

I hope it will be focused on making the content as good as possible, not another fast exp leveling for people leveling their 17th job that they'll never touch after maxing out.

**glitchead** · 10-22-2023 02:07 AM

Also haha necro thread.

**Ravenblade1979** · 10-22-2023 04:25 AM

Do people just wake up and go "hmm how can I spark attention on the forums"

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