Thread: Square, please balance Deep Dungeon 6.3 for 70-90, not just 81+!

Originally Posted by Reimmi

I think what OP is asking for is more options, and i see no downside with having that.
Deep dungeons always scale you to its level anyway, whats the harm in letting people use it to level at lower levels?
as long as you have a job stone (should be a requirement for anything past 30 tbh) there's no reason not to. People would still do bozja for relics and gil etc, and leveling if they prefer bozja.

Again to give some value to older dungeons for leveling. Otherwise why would you ever want to run PoTD or HnH if Eureka Orthos allows you to go from lv.1-90? Youre effectively killing dead content for the sake of convenience...well more than it already is I suppose. Its bad design. Choice is always good but shouldnt be at the cost of making content obsolete imo.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Again to give some value to older dungeons for leveling. Otherwise why would you ever want to run PoTD or HnH if Eureka Orthos allows you to go from lv.1-90?

But the request was for it to go from where HoH leaves off, not to go from 1-90...

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

But the request was for it to go from where HoH leaves off, not to go from 1-90...

This is what Bozja is there for if you desire for getting those levels.

Basically it goes from 1-50 (PoTD) 50-60 (Hellsward) 60-70 (HnH) 70-80 (Bozja) and now 80-90 (Eureka Orthos)

Theres no reason for making the EW Deep Dungeon to start at lv.71 especially for content released for Endwalkers cycle. Nobody is gonna like starting this new content with even less of their acquired toolkit than what they started with in Endwalker.

Again we have Bozja for those seeking to get those levels and it works perfectly fine imo.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

This is what Bozja is there for if you desire for getting those levels.

Bozja is there for my wanting to level via DD because it gives experience?

If content type is irrelevant, then what purpose does Bozja ultimately serve post-relic? We already have roulettes, dungeon spam, and FATEs.

Just as there's no reason for Diadem and Eureka to be non-options for leveling and therefore alternatingly exclude Exploratory Missions from leveling options over 50-70, there's no reason to specifically exclude DD from leveling options over 70-80.

Choice is not a bad thing. Dungeons and roulettes didn't kill Bozja leveling. Why would having both options across 50-90 leveling suddenly do so?

Are we seriously still on this ridiculous drivel? Do people not understand the concept of "WE HAVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR"

Do you still not understand that if/when someone is looking for meat and you point them to the cereal aisle because "We don't sell meat between 3 and 4 pm, but food is all just calories anyways" that they're not the one failing to understand something obvious?

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Bozja is there for my wanting to level via DD because it gives experience?

If content type is irrelevant, then what purpose does Bozja ultimately serve post-relic? We already have roulettes, dungeon spam, and FATEs.

Just as there's no reason for Diadem and Eureka to be non-options for leveling and therefore alternatingly exclude Exploratory Missions from leveling options over 50-70, there's no reason to specifically exclude DD from leveling options over 70-80.

Choice is not a bad thing. Dungeons and roulettes didn't kill Bozja leveling. Why would having both options across 50-90 leveling suddenly do so?


Do you still not understand that if/when someone is looking for meat and you point them to the cereal aisle because "We don't sell meat between 3 and 4 pm, but food is all just calories anyways" that they're not the one failing to understand something obvious?

You keep ignoring how Im saying that Bozja is currently being used for leveling alt jobs atm, even at 80-90. We basically have what you're already asking, for those levels. You just dont like Bozja and with that I cant seriously help you.

With the EW DD, it'll nicely spread out the groups for 80-90 only, and you even said it yourself, if you dont enjoy Bozja then there's the roulettes alternative. And again my point still stands that for an EW DD, people will be expecting to run that content based on EW levels not Shadowbringers levels.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I'm not ignoring it. Your point is just entirely irrelevant to the request at hand, which is for a specific content type, not just a means of exp grind for a given level span.

OP's post was literally about the experience being available for lower level characters. You are the one who moved the goalpost past that.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I'm not ignoring it. Your point is just entirely irrelevant to the request at hand, which is for a specific content type, not just a means of exp grind for a given level span.

If the only reason to ever have DD was eclipsed by any other form of exp grind or acceleration, its purpose would have been met just by reducing exp requirements or increasing the exp rates on the existing means of exp grinding, dungeon spam and FATE spam. But it clearly wasn't.

Even if each gave experience at identical efficiencies, DDs would not be equivalent to EMs, nor V&C dungeons, nor FATEs.

hmmm... about that bold part...

(V&C doesn't give xp yet)

DD is mainly there for the content variety. I believe the xp is secondary. When they look to make new ones, they're looking to stay consistent with HoH and just do the 10 levels. There's a gap, but it really doesn't need to be filled. Let's also think about running the actual DD. I don't think anyone wants to progress through 20 levels of skills. What you're asking for just doesn't make any kind of practical sense.

Are we seriously still on this ridiculous drivel? Do people not understand the concept of "WE HAVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR"

What, do you really just want another Deep Dungeon at those levels? Sorry, you missed your shot. You ain't getting one. And you didn't get one before because of a myriad of reasons, among of which was Covid restrictions.

You have what you're asking for, and that's an easy way to level up.

Don't like it? Well tough bloody shit, start dealing with it. You have alternatives. Don't want to deal with the alternatives, well then make your own game. There's plenty of other far more valid complaints where we don't have any alternative whatsoever, yet people are honestly making a big deal out of something that's so simple.

Start appreciating the game you have instead of acting entitled. What's next, you're gonna go on Riot and ask to jump Elo and Rank through ARAM instead of doing Summoner's Rift?

What an incredibly and bizarrely hostile thread.

Some of ya'll need to get help.