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  1. #11
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by GateTheMage View Post
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    But this works on the fact that SCH’s identity is a fairie mage- which it isn’t, SCH’s identity is military tactician, even in ARR and HW the fairie still occupied about the same amount of its kit as it does now

    SCH’s “make it smooth like butter but kinda brainless” a la EW SMN already exists- it’s SGE, SCH doesn’t need to also go down the same path and it looks like square acknowledges this as Seraphism conflicts with recitation which looks to be an intentional design

    SCH is also second behind AST in rDPS and it’ll likely rise higher as people stack crit, it’s already second even though we current have near no crit, it’ll definitely be fighting for first leaving SGE and WHM in the dust in like week 3 of savage
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  2. #12
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    Princess- Princess
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    I love SCH. I love how it plays. SCH is a barrier healer. If you’re waiting until an enemy cast bar to start shielding then you’re already playing it wrong. You should be preemptive shielding anyway. Recitation is fine the way it is. Doesn’t need anything else added to it. Deployment tactics is 30y and 30 radius. If you can’t hit everyone with that then you’re doing it wrong. I always hit everyone with my critlo with that distance.
    SCH is heavy on button bloat already. It doesn’t need anything else added button wise anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GateTheMage View Post
    But were they really a summoner? In my opinion, no they weren't their summons took a back line to those DoTs and doing Damage through them and not their summons
    When was the last time you played SMN, ARR?
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Recitation is crazy powerful. I don't think it needs to be any better than it is. It removes the resource cost for both mp and Aetherflow while also guaranteeing critical healing on a healer that benefits the most from Critical Heals. Right now the only real distinction between Scholar and Sage is that Sage has far more mobility and less punishing resource management since Addersgall doesn't have a damage option. Scholar is less mobil in exchange for insanely powerful healing. Those are the identities as far as the mechanical play style goes so adding mobility to Scholar makes them less distinct. I do think Scholar could benefit from more mobility but it seems like it would be more reasonable to attach a Swiftcast effect to Emergency Tactics. That way you can burst heal on the move but that movement still cost MP and doesn't have synergy with Deployment Tactics. Deployment is so strong that I feel it should require a full cast. It's not like Scholar can't use Swiftcast on any Adloquium for Deployment so a movement option has always been there.
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    I want them to fix disapation and ffs change Seraphism into a fairy glamour.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    I want them to fix disapation and ffs change Seraphism into a fairy glamour.
    What is there to fix about dissipation? It’s SCH’s best designed skill
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  7. #17
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    Shiru Elysia
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    [QUOTE=Jacobobs;6129244]SCH in particular feels a lot harder to make work in a lot of situations

    It's part of SCH identity. It's harder than a WHM or even SGE - How to properly use fairy skill/Your AF skills - Placing her/Getting the maximum of Energy drain. You gotta use most ot its kit efficiently to make it work and shine.

    SCH lacks the tools to deal with situations when things go real south in a hurry, such as if the tank doesn't mitigate properly, or if the dps take unexpected hits right before raidwides, etc., unlike it's peers which have plenty of great "oh sh-" buttons. (Haima/Panhaima, Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Essential dignity, Celes. Intersection).

    A/QUOTE]

    Not true. Protraction -> Lustrate/Excog (or one of these alone - Indom/Recitation indom - Swiftcast still exists.
    Besides, you don't play SCH as a reactive healer. SCH strengh comes from its premptive mitigation tools. You don't let a tank without anything on its face. You can have soil up every 30s, have excog on him, fey union, protraction whispering dawn, expediant..

    I won't do a SCH guide, everything you list looks like you don't master SCH and need to train more than a "SCH need to change because it's unefficient".

    (Besides, now in lvl100 SCH is even stronger with 60s Recitation and Seraphism if GCD is needeed)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    What is there to fix about dissipation? It’s SCH’s best designed skill
    How about the part it says "Also increases healing magic potency by 20%."? Are you enjoying it despite Dissipation gives you 3 Aetherflows?
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    転化の「回復魔法20%上昇」を「回復効果20%上昇」にしてくださいお願いします!
    Please change the "increases healing magic potency by 20%" of Dissipation into "increases HP recovery via healing actions by 20%"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chajii View Post
    How about the part it says "Also increases healing magic potency by 20%."? Are you enjoying it despite Dissipation gives you 3 Aetherflows?
    Yes, I do enjoy it despite the Aetherflow skills not benefitting from the 20% potency increase. The effect lasts 30 seconds and GCD healing is something we try to avoid anyway. If I can get by on the extra 3 charges I think it's great. If I need to use Adloquium or Succor I'm glad I get the extra 20%. Either way I'm happy for the benefits the button provides. Sage can't get 3 more Addersgall and I definitely feel it when things go south in a party. Dissipation feels great when you stop being scared to lose your fairy 30 seconds. Learning to weave it properly for whatever the situation demands is one of the best parts of playing Scholar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chajii View Post
    How about the part it says "Also increases healing magic potency by 20%."? Are you enjoying it despite Dissipation gives you 3 Aetherflows?
    Yes because dissipations upside is you get 3 aetherflow instantly, you don’t need the healing increase to also affect aetherflow heals because the advantage of the skill is you just get 3 free aetherflows, that’s a tonne of healing resources right there

    The fact it also buffs spreadlo is just the icing on the cake

    People need to stop looking at dissipation as why doesn’t it buff my oGCD’s and look it like “oh shit I can press one button whenever I want to instantly get back a full set of my resources, something no other healer can even remotely match
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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