Why does Square-Enix not sell subs for gil?

[Thaciscokidd]

You two are splitting hairs. We have no way to know who has the biggest population without anything official word from Corp SE and Actiblizz.

If we go by the thing that people used to declare ff14 #1 in the first place, it currently has it at #3 behind OSRS and WoW with classic at 4th and that site has always be unreliable at best.

[PirateRyanG]

FF14 is considered the top mmo these days even outside mmo circles

Though anyone thinking WoW will have a resurgence are fine to believe whatever they want, their new xpac is gonna be a hilarious disaster with nothing to do but raidlog so I am sure casuals will stay because *checks notes* "flying" is a feature xD

Every WOW expansion pack has outsold the previous one, bar Mists of Pandaria on the first day of sales.

There is absolutely no doubt that the next expansion will do the same.

Based on sales of expansions, WOW has a pretty stable player base between 3.4 and 3.7 million. Cataclysm sold 3.3 million and Shadowlands sold 3.7-million, which is where that comes from.

That is just people buying on the first day. We would have to ignore the people that buy later on, although I expect those figures to be a fraction since most people aim to get expansions for any regular MMO they play on release.

Mists of Pandaria outsold Burning Crusade but undersold Lich King by 100,000 copies.

The game is in an incredibly healthy position considering it is 18 years old. I see no reason why the trend of the expansion pack sales won't continue with Dragonflight. Would be odd if it suddenly dropped since it never has before (bar Mists)

Source:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...on-pack-sales/

[Stormpeaks]

FF14 is considered the top mmo these days even outside mmo circles

Though anyone thinking WoW will have a resurgence are fine to believe whatever they want, their new xpac is gonna be a hilarious disaster with nothing to do but raidlog so I am sure casuals will stay because *checks notes* "flying" is a feature xD

idk about that one chief

[Zebraoracle]

It's another episode of "I don't know who to cheer for, OP or the guy he's arguing with".

[Aurikai]

Gold sellers in WoW didn't die from a token, they died from Blizzard's hardline stance on bots used to generate gold, Warden was heavily upgraded during WoD because of garrisons, in addition Blizzard legally went after the two largest bot makers and shut them down, they continue to invest in Warden and prosecute gold sellers.

FFXIV has no such system, probably never will due to Japanese privacy concerns, further ALL of their addons are OUTSIDE of the game, meaning they read/manipulate the game's memory/network traffic to work, which is exactly what bots do, so it would be hard for an anti-cheat mechanism not to flag them, unlike with WoW where all addons run against in game LUA engine.

SE would have to sell gold dirt cheap to undermine bots which would probably destroy the economy, in addition the token would allow bot operators to buy throw away accounts to make botting even easier, again because there are no prevention against it, other than player reports which are slow and almost worthless.

[dspguy]

If subscriptions were low, it would be a gamble that might pay off. Giving players the ability to pay their way with their in-game activities. But they already have our money and the subscriber base is healthy. Why change it?

[Atelier-Bagur]

really? any proof on that?

I mean it seriously... you dont hear of ANYONE being banned for buying gil. they need to do it aggressively, communicate it, advertise it even. you say they do, but I have never...ever.. heard of one person, banned for buying gil in this game...ever.

That same question can be applied to why you DONT think they ban buyers. Lets not create an argument loop here

[Kes13a]

That same question can be applied to why you DONT think they ban buyers. Lets not create an argument loop here

in all fairness, you know the type of people that would be posting that here. we have people saying they were temporarily suspended for "nothing" which 99.9% of the time is patently false. I am sure we would have people protesting that they did not buy gil, that they were unjustly given a vacation for just a chance event, mistaken identity etc.

someone, somewhere, would have posted it in indignation at the event. and there havent been any, which is why I am very certain it has never happened. so, they do, but its likely the low hanging fruit.. like "I bought 200 million gil and I was perma banned" which you have to admit... is pretty stupid, but then some people are....

[Atelier-Bagur]

in all fairness, you know the type of people that would be posting that here. we have people saying they were temporarily suspended for "nothing" which 99.9% of the time is patently false. I am sure we would have people protesting that they did not buy gil, that they were unjustly given a vacation for just a chance event, mistaken identity etc.

someone, somewhere, would have posted it in indignation at the event. and there havent been any, which is why I am very certain it has never happened. so, they do, but its likely the low hanging fruit.. like "I bought 200 million gil and I was perma banned" which you have to admit... is pretty stupid, but then some people are....

Yet theres also many other people whom get caught also realize their own mistakes and not go publicly about it in fear of being ostracized or ruin their reputation in whatever part theyre in the community. Ultimately the drama wouldnt be worth the effort

You know the old saying, the loud ones are always the minority? Same can be applied here, so to act disingenous and believe that just because we dont see a lot of outcry from folks who got rightfully banned means that it doesnt happen is also in the wrong.

Its so easy to act like you know everything when you decide to not think about both sides of the issue.

[Kes13a]

Yet theres also many other people whom get caught also realize their own mistakes and not go publicly about it in fear of being ostracized or ruin their reputation in whatever part theyre in the community. Ultimately the drama wouldnt be worth the effort

You know the old saying, the loud ones are always the minority? Same can be applied here, so to act disingenous and believe that just because we dont see a lot of outcry from folks who got rightfully banned means that it doesnt happen is also in the wrong.

Its so easy to act like you know everything when you decide to not think about both sides of the issue.

look, years ago I was one of the one s that bought game currency in another game. I "enjoyed" a vacation from that game.

so deciding without evidence makes it easy to accuse others of not thinking of both sides. you full well know that the people who would complain about it on the forums have no fear of whatever "reputation" they have left. and yet.. there are none. which means it doesnt happen as often as you would prefer to believe.