Why does Square-Enix not sell subs for gil?

[Thaciscokidd]

People have always sold runs for gold in WOW. It isn't anything new. I would argue that the introduction of the achievement system in Lich King really set that part in motion. People wanted those achievements to get into legit runs, and paying for them with gold seemed the best way.

I know that much but there started to be more people charging tokens for runs instead of gold. Its basically the same thing but it turns into some weird RMT stuff at that point like are you charging base token gold price for the run or the USD/Euro/AUD amount for the tokens that you are charging.

[Disappoint]

This turned WoW into boost hell, no thanks, I'm happier with gil being literally meaningless.

[Stormpeaks]

This turned WoW into boost hell, no thanks, I'm happier with gil being literally meaningless.

You say that as if gil buying isnt rampant and getting used to buy carries

Some of you guys really need a serious wake up call because I dont think we play the same game

[Atelier-Bagur]

You say that as if gil buying isnt rampant and getting used to buy carries

Some of you guys really need a serious wake up call because I dont think we play the same game

Why are you acting as if the community isnt already aware of this?

[Amarande]

People have always sold runs for gold in WOW. It isn't anything new. I would argue that the introduction of the achievement system in Lich King really set that part in motion. People wanted those achievements to get into legit runs, and paying for them with gold seemed the best way.

You say that as if gil buying isnt rampant and getting used to buy carries

It's different when there's no legitimate way to buy the currency. In this case, you either put in absolute loads and loads of time and effort into farming (as was actually IIRC a pretty common thing in late ARR: in those days it was far more difficult to be a functional endgame omnicrafter, so they actually did make enough gil to legitimately buy carries for things like Ex trials) or it's clear you probably bought currency and even if there isn't a clear enough paper trail to report you, you'll likely suffer the social consequences of it.

Additionally, this kept run selling (well, other than GDKP, which was a form of run selling in essence) somewhat under control since so few legit players actually had enough currency to be worth it, and "go RMT" was obviously not a valid retort. The idea of using a purchased achievement to get into content was still somewhat gauche; doing so strictly for the cosmetics less so - and in XIV remains so, nobody cares if you wave around that UWU weapon you were carried to in Limsa (assuming they even remember which glowy white weapon is UWU rather than Round crafted or HW relic anyway ... LOL) but if you try to thusly claim "experience with Ultimate" for use in PF, you'll be tomorrow's social media salt special.

Now that we have the WoW Token, the WoW culture has internalized and legitimized the carry P2W that comes with it. Purchasing your way to gear and then using that "experience" to get into content is not only routine, but virtually expected if you don't have a sweat's free time. Any kind of criticism is ruthlessly deflected as a "You Problem" ($40 a week in WoW Tokens is too much for you, you say? "You need to get off the game and go improve your job IRL." Literally had an argument of this sort during Shadowlands); despite (lowercase t) token efforts from Blizzard to tone down advertising, it's pretty clear that the people that benefit from the carry mill have captured the game culture to the point of no return.

And of course, cleaning up game culture is largely impossible, again because of platforms like Discord leaving us old fogy defenders of humanity hopelessly outgunned.

Don't legitimize RMT. It has some attractive features, but it will certainly be as noted above.

[Bukachu]

This turned WoW into boost hell, no thanks, I'm happier with gil being literally meaningless.

ffxiv has same amount of raid boost selling as wow does, comming from someone who has boosted A LOT (and I mean A LOOOT) in wow, and who has contacts in those circles. few of my friends who I boosted with in WoW, boost in FFxiv.

only reason wow may appear as having more boosts is due to nature of its content, mainly Mythic plus, but as far as raids go both game are on equal level.

on top of that, you can use gold to covert it into Battle net balance which you can then use to buy other bnet/activision games and items in those games, I had so much gold at the end of BfA and start of SL that I was buying 50 box packs in overwatch and hearthstone just with gold, not to mention other actiblizz games.

in ff most of boosting happens with real money, behind closed doors, but there's certain amount of boosting for gil as well.

[Deveryn]

Who cares if people buy carries? They're as meaningless as the gil.

[Ralphe2449]

Who cares if people buy carries? They're as meaningless as the gil.

That is a positive aspect of the wow token, it has hurt the elitists whose self worth depends on video game achievements because now anyone can have X gear/mount an they cant feel like they are special anymore in life

Truly hilarious, though on a more serious note, WoW token was absolutely predatory,
WoW has less players but I am certain it is more profitable than ff14 because WoW token based design pushes people to buy tokens and give more money to the company
Oh you have a new main? Well you better buy boosts to get them geared up quickly because nobody is doing low m+ or inviting low geared characters
Oh you want a new tier 4 or high ilvl crafted gear? You better buy a token if you want to afford it
Oh you are a casual who just plays solo and doesnt want to spend 10 days grinding for a worthless ilvl 220 gear piece when you can get an ilvl 256 from a single m+ boost? Just buy a token and get a boost.
Oh you want that mount/cosmetic that is only available through X raid that is filled with metaslaves and unpleasant tryhards? Just buy a token to buy a boost.
and more

[PirateRyanG]

That is a positive aspect of the wow token, it has hurt the elitists whose self worth depends on video game achievements because now anyone can have X gear/mount an they cant feel like they are special anymore in life

Truly hilarious, though on a more serious note, WoW token was absolutely predatory,
WoW has less players but I am certain it is more profitable than ff14 because WoW token based design pushes people to buy tokens and give more money to the company
Oh you have a new main? Well you better buy boosts to get them geared up quickly because nobody is doing low m+ or inviting low geared characters
Oh you want a new tier 4 or high ilvl crafted gear? You better buy a token if you want to afford it
Oh you are a casual who just plays solo and doesnt want to spend 10 days grinding for a worthless ilvl 220 gear piece when you can get an ilvl 256 from a single m+ boost? Just buy a token and get a boost.
Oh you want that mount/cosmetic that is only available through X raid that is filled with metaslaves and unpleasant tryhards? Just buy a token to buy a boost.
and more

WOW likely has more players than FF14. From what I can recall, one person said that FF14 had more players and everybody just rolled with it. Even if FF14 did top WOW at one stage, it was temporary. Content production for FF14 has pretty much dried up, while WOW is going through a resurgence (and not just because of the new expansion).

[Ralphe2449]

WOW likely has more players than FF14. From what I can recall, one person said that FF14 had more players and everybody just rolled with it. Even if FF14 did top WOW at one stage, it was temporary. Content production for FF14 has pretty much dried up, while WOW is going through a resurgence (and not just because of the new expansion).

FF14 is considered the top mmo these days even outside mmo circles

Though anyone thinking WoW will have a resurgence are fine to believe whatever they want, their new xpac is gonna be a hilarious disaster with nothing to do but raidlog so I am sure casuals will stay because *checks notes* "flying" is a feature xD