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  1. 11-12-2022 07:20 PM
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amarande View Post
    The Western playerbase is pretty clearly hitting even more increasing skids. Whether this is a TOS violation or not - although honestly it should be - is rapidly becoming a secondary matter.

    It's not a desynthable item, nor is it something that can be sold or given onward of itself. In other words, there isn't even the more multifaceted matter of whether "being a jerk to get ahead" is okay to consider here, because there simply wasn't even any "ahead" to get. The GNB acted flat out destructively, and I literally don't see what their defenders' rationale in rallying to them even is - especially during this tier where PF is already in a bad way due to the desperately tight DPS checks on P8S, and the alt job gearing situation is especially critical (many threads have already commented on this, but it comes down to that the community overall really needs as much gear to get out to as many people as possible and hoggish behavior like this needs to be swiftly condemned).

    "Get a static" really isn't helping. What about people whose schedules make it problematic? It seems like some people are not only resigning themselves to the idea of "if you want to raid, get a static" but actively condoning the idea that part of the purpose of PF is to give malcontents a place to be jerks with little accountability. How does that benefit anyone?

    Whatever happened to the olden MMO culture, where any sort of ninja looting behavior was condemned to the point that the guilty fellow was normally shunned from groups for all eternity? Do you want people like this in your parties?

    (Hence why I say "the Western playerbase" because in JP, from what I understand of the JP DC, it would have certainly been this person's last PUG raid ...)
    Oh look it's the Discord conspiracist from GameFAQs. Also statics are the solution, and they are an option for everyone
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    Oh look it's the guy who's known for being a toxic butt in every thread he enters. Sure do love pointless ad hominem attacks!

    Statics are quite literally NOT an option for everyone. Easiest example is someone who's schedule is unreliable and can't make set static raid times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebraoracle View Post
    Statics are quite literally NOT an option for everyone. Easiest example is someone who's schedule is unreliable and can't make set static raid times.
    Exactly this, i'll add the reasons as to why I don't want to go in a static :
    Needing a schedule, having to talk to other people and interact with them, organize things, voice chat etc... I don't want any of this except for ultimate content when I go for HC prog and World Race.
    I like to just hop on the game join a pf and vibe on the fight with music on whenever I feel like it;

    Sure i'd get BiS faster by being in a static, but I prefer having rng loot than feeling forced to play and comply to a schedule, it's just not my cup of tea.
    Party finder is used by a lot of players for a reason, not everyone wants to go for a static. Punish griefing or change the loot system.
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebraoracle View Post
    Oh look it's the guy who's known for being a toxic butt in every thread he enters. Sure do love pointless ad hominem attacks!

    Statics are quite literally NOT an option for everyone. Easiest example is someone who's schedule is unreliable and can't make set static raid times.
    The irony is that by lying about me you commit the same fallacy you accuse me of. And people choose to not make their schedules unreliable, and a choice is...

    (This is where you look up synonyms and finish the sentence)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    The irony is that by lying about me you commit the same fallacy you accuse me of. And people choose to not make their schedules unreliable, and a choice is...

    (This is where you look up synonyms and finish the sentence)
    Lying about you? What a laugh, do you think all those posts where people call you out for being inflammatory just don't exist? And as you like to so often remind people, your post history is quite visible for anyone to see.

    And people "choose" to not make their schedules unreliable? Again, what a laugh. I guess those people who have to have unreliable schedules due to work are just dirt that don't get to have nice things, or should put a freaking video game over their job.
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    Last edited by Zebraoracle; 11-12-2022 at 11:19 PM.

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    Gotta admit, that was some pretty creative scumbaggery. I wouldn't ever think to do that to people, but I guess I'm not that malicious lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmybe29 View Post
    Exactly this, i'll add the reasons as to why I don't want to go in a static :
    Needing a schedule, having to talk to other people and interact with them, organize things, voice chat etc... I don't want any of this except for ultimate content when I go for HC prog and World Race.
    I like to just hop on the game join a pf and vibe on the fight with music on whenever I feel like it;

    Sure i'd get BiS faster by being in a static, but I prefer having rng loot than feeling forced to play and comply to a schedule, it's just not my cup of tea.
    Party finder is used by a lot of players for a reason, not everyone wants to go for a static. Punish griefing or change the loot system.
    So you choose to not act in your own self interest. Then you don't get to complain when seeing the outcome of your choices
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    So you choose to not act in your own self interest. Then you don't get to complain when seeing the outcome of your choices
    Toxic player defending toxicity in a video game, how original. Blame the victim not the abuser, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmybe29 View Post
    Hey, so this is a suggestion/complaint thread because of something that happened yesterday in party finder and it's not the first time i've seen it happen.

    Basically yesterday evening I was doing P8S (usual weekly 2 chests) and the random weapon that dropped was GNB, we had a GNB is our party who already had the 635 weapon. Therefore he couldn't roll on it so I tried rolling, so did other players in the party.

    The GNB then proceeded to swap his weapon to another, delete his 635 weapon so he could roll "Need" on the savage weapon and grief the 7 players who tried to roll for it.
    The problem, with everything like this situation, is proving he did it with evidence to back it up.

    Because the FFXIV devs don't allow screenshots or video.

    None of us were there to see if they actually deleted it, desynthed it, or whatever so it's just your word.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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