Thoughts on restricting ress more?

[Conadrium]

I’ve been thinking and wanted to get some opinions. I feel ress is too omnipresent and to big of a crutch in most content, and it has negative consequences across the board.

1) In easy content, resses means you basically can’t fail with a few notable exceptions that can wipe the entire party at once. As long as a resser survives nobody has to actually do the mechanics properly. Tanks don’t really die in this content.

As an example I’ve gotten Eden Titan three times now in my raid roulette, and still don’t know how most of his mechanics work. No one says it explains a thing. People die left and right, ress after ress after ress, and you kill it. The only reason SE got away with putting that fight into what is essentially LFR, is because you can graveyard Zerg it.

2) In harder content, the prevalence of resses has necessitated the addition of the dreaded damage down. Square has crafted some beautiful fights that become frustratingly precise because hey! You can still kill the boss. The slightest bit of lag or being a pixel or two off gets you tagged with the failure make for 30 seconds. The only way to do well numbers wise is to exhibit absolute perfection. This also allows for sloppy play from healers because they can always ress you.

Your thoughts?

[Renalt]

Normally I'd say yes cause that's what made a lot of WoW bosses hard ( At least during my time of WotLK ) was once someone was down...they were down unless someone had a Battle Rez in which the cost to using those were generally heavy.

However since there are people who could be doing everything correctly on their end but get nailed cause their internet sucks...they made that portion easier. Well honestly everything is easy unless doing Savage content since this game is mostly a single player JRPG first with some MMO elements drizzled on top.

[Jeeqbit]

I can tell you that in Heavensward, the only people who could resurrect in my parties were the healers. If the healers died, it was over. This made something like Clemency more useful on Paladin, because if you could save the healer, you had a chance of saving the run. Of course, there were summoners, but I didn't see these too often.

But since Stormblood came out, we had red mages everywhere. It was an extremely easy job to play and therefore one of the most popular DPS even after the expansion was over. You would usually have at least 1 red mage or more in any matched duty and even in high-end content in party finder. Being able to resurrect endlessly made content a lot easier and was a bit of a nerf really.

But I don't really mind it and it's not the only reason why content became a little easier. They didn't want extremes to be as unforgiving after Sephirot. In savage, they started to give damage downs instead of vuln stacks for some mechanics, which makes it easier for a red mage to survive and rez.

I find it useful being able to do this. If I do old content synced and minimum item level in Party Finder, I know that people usually won't be that good with the mechanics because it's old, so I bring a red mage and just rez all the time and it does allow us to clear a lot more than we normally would.

[Raven2014]

I'm indifferent to you other points, but this one stuck out to me.

The only way to do well numbers wise is to exhibit absolute perfection.

uh ... as it should?

This sounds like you're not happy with the fact the party just push for the clear instead wiping and reset just because you tanking the floor? People are there to clear the fight, not play to carry you to good number.

I have seen people asking party to wipe or just refusing to take the res when they die because "MY PARSE!!". Most difficult fights already have other soft punishment. Like half the mechanic in P5S usually follow by the poison tower that requires everyone to be up or you still gonna wipe anyway. Res allows save. Also it's invaluable during prog, even when the party can no longer clear the fight due to many deaths, it allows party to keep moving to learn and see more.

[TheMightyMollusk]

If you're depending that heavily on battle raises, you're doing something very wrong.

[ThaCa]

I wouldn't mind if they upped the Ress MP cost for healers and either removed them from Magic DPS or made them into oGCD Role Skills with no cost but really long CD (like 5 minutes).

[VictorSpoils]

Rezzes are rarely enough to save a run in Unreal/Extreme/Savage. They're pretty fine elsewhere.

[Deveryn]

Res is fine as it is and we suffer enough as it is. If you wanna try a hardcore mode, find people that would be agreeable and see how things go.

[Teeko]

I'm a bit torn on this coming from wow where res isn't so much of a thing.

From a difficulty perspective, having access to so many forms of res probably feels weird in a more casual group content situation. It feels like you can't actually fail most fights but are rarely enough to save an attempt at much higher difficulties.

From a playstyle perspective, it's superior in the sense that...dying and being forced to stay dead for the duration of a fight is a boring design choice.
On the surface it may seem like dying is punishment for playing poorly or mistakes, but when fights can last over 15 minutes, just sitting there on the floor because of one simple mistake or other factor isn't really thrilling gameplay.

[Conadrium]

Not at all, in fact I’m not talking about death there but damage down and weakness. Bosses are both too easy and too precise. It becomes a dance of stand on this spot. Ok stand on this spot. You got clipped? Be a gimp for 30 seconds but still easily kill it. Uhh mixed signals anyone?

In WOW BECAUSE deaths mean a wipe, the developers are limited in how tight they can make certain windows. How pixel perfect they can require you to be. When you can instantly be scraped off the floor, that limitation on design is gone.

Regardless save the hostility and the personal attacks, I’m here to gauge others opinions. If you oppose this line of thinking I highly suggest you stop trolling and start providing feedback because Criterion dungeons are fairly obviously a test run of this concept.