Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
Let's ban Faloop while we're at it with the "early release" that's only known to the privileged few to ensure they have time to arrive while the rest of the Faloop community has to take its chances once the "public release" is announced and the "early release" players start to relay. After all, that's yet another third party app.

The community can be absolutely idiotic at times with "it's okay to use the third party tool I'm using but not the one that others use".
Ironic, given that's literally the one thing keeping hunt trains organized by the community whatsoever xD

Like, sure, let's complain that people should organize while also deriding the only thing keeping them organized. Instead of, you know, admitting the system is incredibly flawed and cannot keep up with current demands and should have a bit of a thinking-through given how absolutely impossible it is to organize a community this large?

Faloop was the initiative. Many things were the community-driven "initiative"; Linkshells, Cross-World Linkshells. But every last one of them was flawed due to how the game is designed, as shown by the already flimsy order that existed to begin with.

Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
Being blacklisted doesn't stop anyone from participating or early pulling or getting credit. All the blacklist does is ensure that player will never change their mind and come around to seeing things from the community point of view.
Yeah I really never got what blacklisting prevented exactly. I guess it discouraged people from early pulling because then they'd be banned from most controlled Linkshells and would be refused from parties. If they pulled, they'd also die and people were instructed not to raise them. Otherwise it didn't stop them from following hunt trains, and someone would always raise anyway.

Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
I have zero expectations from the players and SE on this matter.

I still think it's worth mentioning that something can be done by the community. Whatever SE might be able to do might not happen for a while and who's to say you'll even like it. What do you do in the meantime? We just had this whole situation in frontline with paladin cheese. You had people that would cry about it and matches and do nothing and lose. Then you had people that would come together as a team and go hard on anyone that dared get a paladin close to an ovoo. We got some wins that way.
Then why are you still around if you have no expectations? Just to come in and tell people that? Are you any different, you're not even proposing anything other than "stop whining". That's not an argument. You're not doing any better whatsoever.

As for the PLD thing, that would happen when there was coordination. On a group of 24 people. Not entire linkshells + every random that happened to catch the shout + a bunch of people from other Worlds as much as the instance could fit. People keeping 1 Paladin away from the Ovoo using crowd control and intimidation tactics is one thing. Your skillset allows you to prevent the Paladin from going in. Nothing about your kit prevents a boss from being early pulled or interact with the player who's that antsy to do so. By the time you get everyone to listen to "It was an early pull stop DPSing", the boss is halfway dead.