Add iLevel restrictions to Alliance Roulette

[Ranaku]

I think OP is a bit confused, these restrictions already exist. You can't queue for like world of darkness if your itemlevel is below 90. That is the reason why if you push your itemlevel below that you will only get either crystal tower or labyrinth.

Fact tho is that SE can never change this cause of how the roulette works, you can complete the msq without ever doing a different raid than the crystal tower raids. So if a player who has only ever done these queues for alliance raid roulette it will be anyways just one of these 3. Which is one of the reasons why the crystal tower series, as the mandatory msq raid, will ALWAYS pop much more frequently than any other alliance raid even without the cheese.

Sucks i know but there is literally nothing that can be ever changed or will get changed about it, put your energy into something else than crying over it i would say, just move on.

[TaleraRistain]

I feel like somthing should be done to try and encourage more play of the non-CT raids. I was gobsmacked last night when I got The Orbonne Monastery haha.

I think this is why they integrated Void Ark into the Tataru quests and made Ivalice required for Bozja. Little things like that to give the carrot to not ilevel cheese and lure people into those higher raid tiers. Because even if they implement some sort of further restrictoin, someone's gonna find a way around it like they did the current setup. Taking away their reason to look for ways around it is most likely going to see a better return.

[Havenchild]

Pretty sure you can't queue for the roulette if you are below the WoD ilvl so an ilvl requirement does exist already. And removing CT raids is not going to change the fact that it willnjust be Void Ark that will proc the most which is actually a far worst scenario considering how many activities outside of MSQ are tied to CT. Having said that, its a non issue. If people don't like CT Rauds, stop doing alliance roulette. Its obvious it has like a 90% chance to pop. Don't keep needing threads, it's here to stay and has been for years.

[Havenchild]

I think this is why they integrated Void Ark into the Tataru quests and made Ivalice required for Bozja. Little things like that to give the carrot to not ilevel cheese and lure people into those higher raid tiers. Because even if they implement some sort of further restrictoin, someone's gonna find a way around it like they did the current setup. Taking away their reason to look for ways around it is most likely going to see a better return.

Best solution is to upgrade the exp in Nier, Rabranastre raids to measure up against the time investment to complete the raid. CT is sub 15min, Nier is a 45min investment that gives more or less the same amount of EXP.

[LittleImp]

Sucks i know but there is literally nothing that can be ever changed or will get changed about it, put your energy into something else than crying over it i would say, just move on.

A lot of viable solutions have been offered in every single thread about this. It's a perfectly solvable situation lmao what even

[TaleraRistain]

Best solution is to upgrade the exp in Nier, Rabranastre raids to measure up against the time investment to complete the raid. CT is sub 15min, Nier is a 45min investment that gives more or less the same amount of EXP.

Bingo. Like I mentioned with my previous post with Prae and Castrum, make that 40 minutes worth it and people will jump at it.

[Ranaku]

A lot of viable solutions have been offered in every single thread about this. It's a perfectly solvable situation lmao what even

It is, as i said, not. Cause of how the roulette system works. "Fixing" it would mean to well dunno make all raids mandatory? Or unlock alliance raid only when all raids are unlocked? But then the roulette wouldn't fulfill its purpose anyways, which was from the beginning to help players through old content. There is literally no viable solution to this problem that doesn't include the devs having to consider thousands of different scenarios.

Like what if a player is never unlocking any other raid than the crystal tower series, that will mean they will get only exactly that raid and possibly force 23 other players into them. What if you play a new job that is only lvl 50? So you can only get Crystal Tower anyways?

There is no solution without having to rework a fully functioning system with dozens of possibilities to take into account. The amount of work it would cost is not worth the possibility that some people can't cheese their way through it anymore.

The only really viable solution i could see would be to separate all the alliance raids into their own roulette, that way people would do them all obviously for the daily reward but SE might be against that cause well too much exp gain that way. Only way that doesn't end in having hundreds of stupid rules for one roulette.

[LeonKeyh]

It is, as i said, not. Cause of how the roulette system works. "Fixing" it would mean to well dunno make all raids mandatory? Or unlock alliance raid only when all raids are unlocked? But then the roulette wouldn't fulfill its purpose anyways, which was from the beginning to help players through old content. There is literally no viable solution to this problem that doesn't include the devs having to consider thousands of different scenarios.

Like what if a player is never unlocking any other raid than the crystal tower series, that will mean they will get only exactly that raid and possibly force 23 other players into them. What if you play a new job that is only lvl 50? So you can only get Crystal Tower anyways?

There is no solution without having to rework a fully functioning system with dozens of possibilities to take into account. The amount of work it would cost is not worth the possibility that some people can't cheese their way through it anymore.

The only really viable solution i could see would be to separate all the alliance raids into their own roulette, that way people would do them all obviously for the daily reward but SE might be against that cause well too much exp gain that way. Only way that doesn't end in having hundreds of stupid rules for one roulette.

There really aren't "dozens" of possibilities to take into account. It's definitely requires a rework of the system a bit, but there should be 2 requirements for alliance roulette:


1. You have unlocked all of the raids up to your highest level job
2. You have an ilvl that matches the latest alliance raid that the job you're queuing up for has reached

It's not an "easy" thing to program, but there isn't some large number of scenarios that need to be accounted for. You want alliance roulette on your character? Go through all of the alliance raids you have access to. You want to queue up? Make sure you're geared enough for any of them you might get.

Nobody is forced to do any alliance raids that they don't want to, but you don't get the roulette unless you have them all unlocked.

[NekoMataMata]

Then it will just be Void Ark roulette. CT has a lot going for it to make it come up. It's required for MSQ. It's used in relics. It can be the only raid series that someone needs to unlock.

The only real way they're going to fix things is to make those other raid tiers more attractive to run. Make them reward more so someone doesn't think X amount for a 15 minute run is worth it anymore. Prae took longer than Castrum but people still bailed constantly on Castrum because Prae was the better value. There will still be the reasons now besides ilevel cheesing that CT will come up a lot, but the only reason they're ilevel cheesing now is because they don't have incentive not to.

The Prae-Castrum comparison is weird though. Prae had the better value despite being longer, but Prae was also much more afk too when you remember that the fights in both were easily pushed through. The ultimate weapon fights in Prae were the only fights that maybe took more than a minute(I don't really remember). Prae being longer didn't matter so much because you could do other things during the whole movie's worth of cutscenes.

You'd be better off both nerfing CT and buffing other raids, and a lot of people would still probably just stop doing alliance raid roulette, but I feel like that'd be for the best anyways.

[Ranaku]

There really aren't "dozens" of possibilities to take into account. It's definitely requires a rework of the system a bit, but there should be 2 requirements for alliance roulette:


1. You have unlocked all of the raids up to your highest level job
2. You have an ilvl that matches the latest alliance raid that the job you're queuing up for has reached

It's not an "easy" thing to program, but there isn't some large number of scenarios that need to be accounted for. You want alliance roulette on your character? Go through all of the alliance raids you have access to. You want to queue up? Make sure you're geared enough for any of them you might get.

Nobody is forced to do any alliance raids that they don't want to, but you don't get the roulette unless you have them all unlocked.

Yet in that case that would make non msq raids mandatory for said roulette. Which is against SE policy of doing stuff at your own pace. Not to mention that there is also the problem of overleveling, with road to 80 i can reach 80 before i even started with heavensward. Now that would mean that i have to quest all the way up to shadowbringers (and unlock all the raids along the way) just so i can do the roulette again? That would rob players, especially on new worlds, of alliance roulettes for a very long time. Since as i said overleveling is way too easy. Which would be also counterproductive, would mean less players doing the roulette which means less players helping the new fellas clear the MANDATORY crystal tower raid which means extremely long waiting times probably at some point for players in arr.

To your second point there is also still the problem that one could also never unlock the other alliance raids, i mean i have some not unlocked on alts means i will never get them obviously. Which would mean you could still well expect more crystal tower than the other raids. Since it is also the only mandatory raid to progress to the msq it will be also the only one new players have to unlock and they will probably after that finish the msq first without getting into all the sidecontent, means also all the alliance raids after arr. Which leads to the same problem as your first point which is that this would lead to a decreased number of players if these restrictions were in place that are available for the mandatory raid everyone has to do at least once if they want to progress through arr.

So what you suggest would really suck for new servers.