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    Reimmi's Avatar
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    At this point, with all the raids we have now:
    Add crystal tower to MSQ roulette since it's required for main story.
    There, problem solved.

    And if this is a matter of group size differences in a queue, mentor roulette seems to be able to do it just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    At this point, with all the raids we have now:
    Add crystal tower to MSQ roulette since it's required for main story.
    There, problem solved.

    And if this is a matter of group size differences in a queue, mentor roulette seems to be able to do it just fine.
    Then it will just be Void Ark roulette. CT has a lot going for it to make it come up. It's required for MSQ. It's used in relics. It can be the only raid series that someone needs to unlock.

    The only real way they're going to fix things is to make those other raid tiers more attractive to run. Make them reward more so someone doesn't think X amount for a 15 minute run is worth it anymore. Prae took longer than Castrum but people still bailed constantly on Castrum because Prae was the better value. There will still be the reasons now besides ilevel cheesing that CT will come up a lot, but the only reason they're ilevel cheesing now is because they don't have incentive not to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Then it will just be Void Ark roulette. CT has a lot going for it to make it come up. It's required for MSQ. It's used in relics. It can be the only raid series that someone needs to unlock.

    The only real way they're going to fix things is to make those other raid tiers more attractive to run. Make them reward more so someone doesn't think X amount for a 15 minute run is worth it anymore. Prae took longer than Castrum but people still bailed constantly on Castrum because Prae was the better value. There will still be the reasons now besides ilevel cheesing that CT will come up a lot, but the only reason they're ilevel cheesing now is because they don't have incentive not to.
    The Prae-Castrum comparison is weird though. Prae had the better value despite being longer, but Prae was also much more afk too when you remember that the fights in both were easily pushed through. The ultimate weapon fights in Prae were the only fights that maybe took more than a minute(I don't really remember). Prae being longer didn't matter so much because you could do other things during the whole movie's worth of cutscenes.

    You'd be better off both nerfing CT and buffing other raids, and a lot of people would still probably just stop doing alliance raid roulette, but I feel like that'd be for the best anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    The Prae-Castrum comparison is weird though. Prae had the better value despite being longer, but Prae was also much more afk too when you remember that the fights in both were easily pushed through. The ultimate weapon fights in Prae were the only fights that maybe took more than a minute(I don't really remember). Prae being longer didn't matter so much because you could do other things during the whole movie's worth of cutscenes.

    You'd be better off both nerfing CT and buffing other raids, and a lot of people would still probably just stop doing alliance raid roulette, but I feel like that'd be for the best anyways.
    If you believe that would be the eventual end result, then this is a terrible solution regardless.
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    Valamist Hurlstone
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    I feel like somthing should be done to try and encourage more play of the non-CT raids. I was gobsmacked last night when I got The Orbonne Monastery haha.
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    I feel like somthing should be done to try and encourage more play of the non-CT raids. I was gobsmacked last night when I got The Orbonne Monastery haha.
    I think this is why they integrated Void Ark into the Tataru quests and made Ivalice required for Bozja. Little things like that to give the carrot to not ilevel cheese and lure people into those higher raid tiers. Because even if they implement some sort of further restrictoin, someone's gonna find a way around it like they did the current setup. Taking away their reason to look for ways around it is most likely going to see a better return.
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    Avalen Koma
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    I think this is why they integrated Void Ark into the Tataru quests and made Ivalice required for Bozja. Little things like that to give the carrot to not ilevel cheese and lure people into those higher raid tiers. Because even if they implement some sort of further restrictoin, someone's gonna find a way around it like they did the current setup. Taking away their reason to look for ways around it is most likely going to see a better return.
    Best solution is to upgrade the exp in Nier, Rabranastre raids to measure up against the time investment to complete the raid. CT is sub 15min, Nier is a 45min investment that gives more or less the same amount of EXP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Best solution is to upgrade the exp in Nier, Rabranastre raids to measure up against the time investment to complete the raid. CT is sub 15min, Nier is a 45min investment that gives more or less the same amount of EXP.
    Bingo. Like I mentioned with my previous post with Prae and Castrum, make that 40 minutes worth it and people will jump at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Best solution is to upgrade the exp in Nier, Rabranastre raids to measure up against the time investment to complete the raid. CT is sub 15min, Nier is a 45min investment that gives more or less the same amount of EXP.
    That and add rewards to them.
    Make it so you can trade in the tokens you get at the end of completing them for prizes like the minions, orchestrian rolls, and gear (so if people want them, they don't have to rely on RNG), and add new rewards like level 1, dyeable version of the gear that any job could wear, mounts, etc. (❁´▽`❁)*✲゚*
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    Last edited by Mimilu; 11-04-2022 at 11:31 PM.