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    Ayche's Avatar
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    Aychelle Tripler
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    Raiden
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxs View Post
    Just because someone doesnt want to unlock every single piece of content you think they shouldn’t get to do roulettes? How very self-entitled of you to think you get to decide everyone has to do everything. No one has to. If its not required for MSQ its OPTIONAL content. You do know what that word means right?
    Interesting how you try to deflect the selfish desire on me.
    The sole reason to do roulettes is the rewards. If you want the reward, you help others in whatever content they want to do.
    You don't get to pick and choose what you want to play AND get the reward, that is the actual selfish behavior in this thread.
    Enough with this same trash argument, also in every single thread where mentors moan about the mentor roulette.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxs View Post
    Just because someone doesnt want to unlock every single piece of content you think they shouldn’t get to do roulettes? How very self-entitled of you to think you get to decide everyone has to do everything. No one has to. If its not required for MSQ its OPTIONAL content. You do know what that word means right?
    That's an extremely weak argument because doing roulettes is also optional. Hell even MSQ is optional. Who's gonna stop you if you just never progress past ARR and instead spend your entire time ocean fishing?
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    It’s optional content so no. Also I am convinced that iLvl cheese is not that much of a problem and it wouldn’t change anything.

    The player base is simply greater for the CT raids. There are many reasons for getting CT.

    1. People may be levelling a job and their level is too low to access the next tier;
    2. Despite being over levelled and willing to unlock the next tier, one may not have reached the point in the MSQ that allows them to unlock the next tier of raids (along with the tome gear);
    3. ftp are limited to CT and HW raids so that eliminates 3 out of 5 series
    4. someone may be queuing CT specifically (msq, relic weapon quest or just because)
    5. Pure “luck”. Even if the whole team is in 600+ gear and has everything unlocked, roulette could still take you to CT.

    As for unlocking the other raids, optional content is well, purely... optional as the name says. CT are the only mandatory raids. There is a lot of content in the game for someone starting to play these days versus someone who had the chance to unlock content over the years. People may want to do their MSQ and unlocking all that side content takes a significant amount of time. I made a new character on the new DC and bought a level boost...there is a daunting amount of blue markers all over the maps and unlocking the optional ARs is not my priority. If/when I get there, I will not unlock Dun Scaith or Tower of Paradigm: I don’t like Dun Scaith and tower hurts my eyes. Someone else may not like 24m raids enough to unlock the others.

    Also, a new player may not even know about those raids. The quest givers are not exactly in the most obvious locations. They could move the initial quest givers or add a messenger to areas with high traffic. For example, atm to start the Nier raids quest, you have to go back to Kholusia even though you have no other reason to do so and talk to the little guy in a far corner of the map.

    They should also provide greater rewards for the other raids to give an incentive to unlock them and run them. Atm for a reward that is basically the same, you can spend 15 mins in CT or, if your alliance sucks, 1 hour in Orbonne (recently left a group that had reached the 50 minute mark at the 2nd boss as that’s all the time I had). Not everyone can play for hours every day.

    You don’t want to do CT? Simply queue for a raid of your choice. You don’t have to use the roulette. The main purpose of roulette is to help others complete content they wish/need to do so take control of it and stop complaining.
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    Last edited by Toutatis; 11-04-2022 at 10:57 PM.

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    Avalen Koma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post

    1. People may be levelling a job and their level is too low to access the next tier;
    2. Despite being over levelled and willing to unlock the next tier, one may not have reached the point in the MSQ that allows them to unlock the next tier of raids (along with the tome gear);
    3. ftp are limited to CT and HW raids so that eliminates 3 out of 5 series
    4. someone may be queuing CT specifically (relic weapon quest or just because)
    5. Pure “luck”. Even if the whole team is in 600+ gear and has everything unlocked, roulette could still take you to CT.
    Just one more thing here:

    - CT is also the only raid that you run into naturally (cause of MSQ req). All others require you to find and complete a sidequest to gain entry.

    I know people that don't have anything but CT unlocked or maybe have Nier but missing Void Ark and Rabanastre.
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    Why not just accept the fast CT raid clear for the roulette then queue for the specific raid you want to do?
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illmaeran View Post
    Why not just accept the fast CT raid clear for the roulette then queue for the specific raid you want to do?
    It really is fast. I just got pulled into a Lab that someone left and was done in about 15 minutes. There was some impatience and some botching, but we sailed through.

    I checked my party list and there was a 68, so up to a 1 in 6 chance on that.
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    Chadhadai Oronir
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illmaeran View Post
    Why not just accept the fast CT raid clear for the roulette then queue for the specific raid you want to do?
    Because CT is boring and being level 50 sucks.
    Now that all my jobs are 90, I am never queuing that dumpster fire roulette again. I'll just queue the good raids specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    I'll just queue the good raids specifically.
    that’s a simple and sound solution. It’s what I do too when I feel like doing a specific raid. If I queue roulette, it’s because I don’t care what I get. Anyway, different raids pop regularly on my DC, it’s not just CT.
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    Perrin Aybarah
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    Ilvl cheesers exist but aren’t even close to the real problem.

    1) The crystal tower raids are the only mandatory ones while leveling up.
    2) Each person can level like 30 different jobs.
    3) As they level from 59 down it’s a 100% chance they get crystal tower. Assuming they unlock it (most don’t) from 69 down it’s a 50% chance. Again assuming they unlocked from 79 down it’s a 33%. And from 89 down it’s a 25% chance.
    4) Every alliance raid has 24 people so there is a good chance one of the above rolls will land on Crystal tower and drag 23 people with them.
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    Just allow queuing in DF but you can tick one thing you don't want to do. Problem solved.
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