Add iLevel restrictions to Alliance Roulette

[BelegErkhten]

And just like that you shot down any chance you had at being reasonable.
- If the system compares your gear as to what is being currently run, it will not force your low ilv to a high-end duty like NieR. You said so yourself.
- Not everyone here is on the Crystal Datacenter, nor on NA. I'm on Zodiark: EU Datacenter.
- "I have queued for Alliance Roulette 3 days in a row now across 3 characters and every time its been NEIR or Ivalice. I swear nobody who plays this game understands how the Duty Roulette works." Great that that's been your experience, but I queued for it last week and I happened to have a female character totally naked there, so... Your point? "Because it does not happen to me, it cannot happen to you"?
- I'm running content during the day until midnight on my end. Queues for any sort of content stagnate at around midnight (PvP becomes absolutely dead by then). So no. I play in the afternoon and past noon.
- "The naked people are forcing themselves into low level content but they are not dragging in there you with them." The roulette pairs anyone up with anything. They're forcing everyone, themselves included. Hence why even if no one was doing the naked thing, you can still have people who aren't new to the instance. In case you didn't know, there is such a message when someone hasn't cleared it. Meaning that you can all land into low level stuff because of the item level comparison.

In a roulette, this is normal, because even if you all have a high item level, you can still land on CT. But if someone's item level is lower than, say, Rabanastre, you cannot get Rabanastre and duties beyond it. This goes for everything, including Levelling Roulette. Why do you think so many people find it odd that they're in their high 80's and can end up getting Sastasha as a duty in Level Roulette?

I am being perfectly reasonable and the solution is for you to get a full party and use the Limited roulette function instead of being antisocial. If your community sucks, build a better community, NOTHING that I posted was factually incorrect, you just want to be miserable and complain. If Dynamis were real you'd be turning into a Blasphemy right now.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I am being perfectly reasonable and the solution is for you to get a full party and use the Limited roulette function instead of being antisocial. If your community sucks, build a better community, NOTHING that I posted was factually incorrect, you just want to be miserable and complain. If Dynamis were real you'd be turning into a Blasphemy right now.

Fyi Limited roulette only works for Duty Roulette: Leveling Dungeon. There’s a possibility they might extend this to other roulette but personally I highly doubt that.

[BelegErkhten]

where's the Zodiark Datacenter located? Where is Balmung located?

What part of that is relevant? It doesn't matter where you are the system functions the exact same way. The mechanics of how Duty Finder matches people does not change when you move between Data Centers. Forgive me for not being intimately (pun not intended) familiar with what world the EU coomers hang out on.


I should also add that non-level 50 people will also queue for LotA via quests like Gifts of the Archmagus
You are fabricating a boogieman in your head and pinning everything wrong on said non-existent boogieman.

[Saraide]

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One person doing ilvl cheese is not necessarily creating a CT run that wouldnt have happened otherwise. You can have two people forcing CT, one by queueing for it directly and one by doing ilvl cheese but that doesnt mean you will have two CT runs. You can just aswell have just one CT run with both of those people in it.

Meaning the other two alliances could have landed literally anywhere else?

What are you trying to say? The other two alliances need to be filled aswell, it's an alliance raid.

[Deveryn]

So because we can't seem to find one as players who don't know what's behind the code to the extent the devs do, there's no point in changing?

Correct!

And if you want them to work on fresh content so you're less bored, please look forward to tomorrow's Live Letter where they'll announce such a thing.

[PyurBlue]

Hey, Im not trying to advocate this behavior. I for one think its pretty scummy if you make the decision to run an rng roulette but get a hissy fit that its boring old CT again and then leave. But the option is there for people, just expect those consequences if you reeeeally hate CT that much to risk waisting even more of your time for the penalty.

That makes it clear. I'd much rather take the penalty than run CT if I'm honest, but I wouldn't because I agree it's not really considerate of the other players.

If you want CT to have it's own separate roulette then just say so. That's what most people here want. Most people think that CT either needs its own roulette or it needs to be merged with MSQ roulette.

That's not the same as you suggesting that people pick and choose what they want in the roulette though.

If "choice" was giving the wrong impression, then maybe "more granular roulettes" would be a better phrase. Anyway, yeah separating CT from the other raids was my primary idea behind more choice. Alliance seems like the perfect candidate for this since CT will never be at risk of low participation and it's very clear that a significant amount of players want to be able to queue for anything but CT. Divide the roulette and everyone wins, so there's really no reason not to do it, at least from a player standpoint.

That could work too tbh. Just redo CT, keep it simple but don't make it a snoozefest. And reassess a way to prevent people from stipping naked and cheese it, since then chances are there isn't much you can cheese through.

Costly? Maybe.
But that's what SE's been doing the past months, so who knows.

Replacing CT completely is another idea, and the duty is so problematic that I don't think the fact that it would cost SE something to fix it should be considered a problem, unless that cost is enormous. However, like I said in another post, level 50 is still really simple and that will impact the overall experience. So many jobs are just a combo or the same button over and over at that point that even with mechanics, I feel like the content would be kind of meh. It could still be better than what we have now though.

I feel like I'm weird when it comes to this. I'm excited when I get Ivalice/Nier/Agalia (spelled wrong?).
Unlike others I don't need higher rewards to want to do those. They're fun and that's the most important part for me. Especially consodering...this IS a game.

I feel the same way. I can't understand the mindset of running through content for rewards ASAP. The reward in a game should be a feeling of enjoyment. That's a much stronger incentive than XP every time in my opinion.

Maybe not. And that's true, for example, I'm super tired of Azdaal's Legacy, as well as Sil'dih Subterrane. Because they get repetitive and predictable easily. But I find that fair and an obvious outcome of videogames in general. I know what I'm getting into. If you give me my favourite dish for breakfast, lunch and dinner, obviously at some point it stops feeling special. Same with any content. But at least here I know that that's what I'm signing up for.

But I already said as much.

Expert roulette suffers from neglect. We used to have more dungeons per patch, and you could absolutely tell. I think it was a mistake to cut down on dungeon content. Of course SE had reasons for this, but I don't think they made the right choice in the end.

Of course, that's just me. My real gripe is just people doing what's such an obvious exploit to force the system. I approached it as "if it's so easy to the point where you AFK, and it takes less time to complete than other instances, then naturally people will prefer it". Past that, if people want to complain that a low-level instance is boring, repetitive and obvious, then that's up to them.

I speak for myself: There is a problem, and much like problems of the same kind, it should be looked into. I think the issue stems from one characteristic of the content itself. Others are free to disagee. Anything beyond that is preference.

While the exploiting is a problem, I don't think sticking to the system despite all of its flaws is the best way to fix it. You did say that you are speaking for yourself, so I won't make a text wall on this topic, but I take the mass exploiting as a sign that the system isn't designed well. There isn't anything wrong with changing things to better please the playerbase.

[Ranaku]

I think OP is a bit confused, these restrictions already exist. You can't queue for like world of darkness if your itemlevel is below 90. That is the reason why if you push your itemlevel below that you will only get either crystal tower or labyrinth.

Fact tho is that SE can never change this cause of how the roulette works, you can complete the msq without ever doing a different raid than the crystal tower raids. So if a player who has only ever done these queues for alliance raid roulette it will be anyways just one of these 3. Which is one of the reasons why the crystal tower series, as the mandatory msq raid, will ALWAYS pop much more frequently than any other alliance raid even without the cheese.

Sucks i know but there is literally nothing that can be ever changed or will get changed about it, put your energy into something else than crying over it i would say, just move on.

[LittleImp]

Sucks i know but there is literally nothing that can be ever changed or will get changed about it, put your energy into something else than crying over it i would say, just move on.

A lot of viable solutions have been offered in every single thread about this. It's a perfectly solvable situation lmao what even

[Ranaku]

A lot of viable solutions have been offered in every single thread about this. It's a perfectly solvable situation lmao what even

It is, as i said, not. Cause of how the roulette system works. "Fixing" it would mean to well dunno make all raids mandatory? Or unlock alliance raid only when all raids are unlocked? But then the roulette wouldn't fulfill its purpose anyways, which was from the beginning to help players through old content. There is literally no viable solution to this problem that doesn't include the devs having to consider thousands of different scenarios.

Like what if a player is never unlocking any other raid than the crystal tower series, that will mean they will get only exactly that raid and possibly force 23 other players into them. What if you play a new job that is only lvl 50? So you can only get Crystal Tower anyways?

There is no solution without having to rework a fully functioning system with dozens of possibilities to take into account. The amount of work it would cost is not worth the possibility that some people can't cheese their way through it anymore.

The only really viable solution i could see would be to separate all the alliance raids into their own roulette, that way people would do them all obviously for the daily reward but SE might be against that cause well too much exp gain that way. Only way that doesn't end in having hundreds of stupid rules for one roulette.

[LeonKeyh]

It is, as i said, not. Cause of how the roulette system works. "Fixing" it would mean to well dunno make all raids mandatory? Or unlock alliance raid only when all raids are unlocked? But then the roulette wouldn't fulfill its purpose anyways, which was from the beginning to help players through old content. There is literally no viable solution to this problem that doesn't include the devs having to consider thousands of different scenarios.

Like what if a player is never unlocking any other raid than the crystal tower series, that will mean they will get only exactly that raid and possibly force 23 other players into them. What if you play a new job that is only lvl 50? So you can only get Crystal Tower anyways?

There is no solution without having to rework a fully functioning system with dozens of possibilities to take into account. The amount of work it would cost is not worth the possibility that some people can't cheese their way through it anymore.

The only really viable solution i could see would be to separate all the alliance raids into their own roulette, that way people would do them all obviously for the daily reward but SE might be against that cause well too much exp gain that way. Only way that doesn't end in having hundreds of stupid rules for one roulette.

There really aren't "dozens" of possibilities to take into account. It's definitely requires a rework of the system a bit, but there should be 2 requirements for alliance roulette:


1. You have unlocked all of the raids up to your highest level job
2. You have an ilvl that matches the latest alliance raid that the job you're queuing up for has reached

It's not an "easy" thing to program, but there isn't some large number of scenarios that need to be accounted for. You want alliance roulette on your character? Go through all of the alliance raids you have access to. You want to queue up? Make sure you're geared enough for any of them you might get.

Nobody is forced to do any alliance raids that they don't want to, but you don't get the roulette unless you have them all unlocked.