I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[Nizzi]

Don't forget that a lot of people play healer for the simplicity of its dps rotation.

Those people didn't care when SCH lost its DPS complexity or AST lost its support complexity, so I'm not really inclined to care at all if the same happens to them. Heaven forbid at least half of the jobs in a role with 4 jobs have something that isn't mindless 1 DoT 1 Nuke ""engagement"".

[Mithron]

But guys, if you want complex dps rotations why don't you play... dps classes?

Because I don't believe DPS classes are the only role that's meant to have fun.

[fulminating]

But guys, if you want complex dps rotations why don't you play... dps classes? SMN and RDM have off-heals and rez, they would be ideal for what you want, no? Don't forget that a lot of people play healer for the simplicity of its dps rotation. I agree that it's very simple, but it works as intended. The complexity of the healer role comes from using the correct support skills at the right time and location, which I find pretty engaging tbh.

Also, the reasons you identify re healing pertain to all games that use the trinity. This is why newer games (e.g. BDO) have been moving away from the trinity and everyone is a tanky dps with self heals.

Could you please find some higher quality bait? Even that red mage guy put in more effort.

If you want some critique, mentioning summoner and complex dps rotation in the same sentence completely gave it away, but the trinity line was also a bit obvious particularly with the pair of elephants in the room (wow and ffxiv prior to 5.0).

[Liam_Harper]

Can we stop using the word "complex" when it comes to more dps buttons?

Trimming away the niche and useless oGCD's, merging things like Cure and Cure II and then adding a small handful of interesting dps buttons into the empty slots is not complex. New players brains will not explode. Raids will not become impossible to clear.

But guys, if you want complex dps rotations why don't you play... dps classes?

No. If you want a one-track job with a single responsibility to focus on, why don't you go play dps classes and stop trying to ruin our adaptable support role?

[flowerfairy]

The complexity of the healer role comes from using the correct support skills at the right time and location, which I find pretty engaging tbh.

It doesn't achieve that right now. It devolved to "press one of the million heal abilities you have for the raidwide while spamming Glare." If the tier is new, maybe we'll get to press FIVE heal GCDs out of the 100 Glare casts before everyone gets the current IL gear and that completely disappears, how fun!

Healing was much more intensive and complex in past iterations of the game, and they still had engaging DPS rotations. AST lost their unique kit that had much more supportive cards and SCH lost pretty much everything, even the fairy got homogenized to oGCDs for reasons no one understands. The only one who didn't suffer as much is WHM since that job was already in the gutter. Having more to heal is not engaging in this current system and it never will. Choosing one ability over another needs to have more weight than "one heal over another heal" because they all do the same exact thing.

[ty_taurus]

Because I don't believe DPS classes are the only role that's meant to have fun.

This right here. I hate the arguemenr of “just play DPS instead.” Whether it’s intended or not, what that really means is “healers are supposed to be terrible and unfun.”

This is a video game—a V I D E O G A M E.

“Hey what are you doing Saturday night?”

“I’m going to play some FFXIV and play as a healer.”

“Oh is that fun?”

“No, it’s actually one of the most boring things you can do in FFXIV”

“Then why do you play it?”

“Because that’s how it’s supposed to be. Healers aren’t allowed to be fun.”

[ForsakenRoe]

It doesn't achieve that right now. It devolved to "press one of the million heal abilities you have for the raidwide while spamming Glare." If the tier is new, maybe we'll get to press FIVE heal GCDs out of the 100 Glare casts before everyone gets the current IL gear and that completely disappears, how fun!

Week 3 I got my first P8S clear as WHM and it was inefficient as hell, full of overhealing and stuff as any first clear probably is. Week 4 I could not find a party that didn't already have a WHM so i thought 'sod it I will grief as SGE, I dont know any mit plans but how hard could it be?' We cleared doorboss in one pull, and Phase 2 in 3 pulls, with me entirely winging it for mit. The idea that there's 'correct support skills at correct time' is kinda just, nonexistent when so many do the same thing. Also SGE apparently can zero-GCD heal through Doorboss, so yeh, gear scaling triumphs once again.

“Because that’s how it’s supposed to be. Healers aren’t allowed to be fun.”

Didn't you know Taurus, the real reason people play Mercy in OW isn't because it's fun, it's because they want to be a player controlled healbot for the REAL heroes like Genji or Tracer. People don't play Crystal Maiden in DOTA, or Soraka in League because it's fun, they play those characters because they want to AFK in the lane next to the carry, the REAL hero of the match who everyone pins their hopes and dreams on.

Maybe SE should rework the game so that Healer is an AI role filled by Trusts in all content (including raids) that is a literal healbot, and change the raid format to 2 Tanks, 6 DPS, 2 HealBot AIs, and rescale the enrage requirements accordingly. Because that seems to be what SE believes healers to be, nothing more than robots who are there to play second-fiddle to the REAL classes, and keep those REAL classes alive so they get to have fun. Healer happens to be having fun? Coincidental side effect, but not necessary it seems.

[Succor]

What I see is that some people don't enjoy playing healer because they find it boring or unfun. I don't understand why anyone would force themselves to play something they find boring or unfun. This isn't dismissive or baiting, it's a simple solution to a problem. Players picking a class they find more fun is certainly more attainable than the devs redesigning an entire role, especially after reworks. On that note, I personally love how simple the healer rotation is, it's the main reason I like healing, because I don't like optimising dps.

[Nizzi]

What I see is that some people don't enjoy playing healer because they find it boring or unfun. I don't understand why anyone would force themselves to play something they find boring or unfun. This isn't dismissive or baiting, it's a simple solution to a problem. Players picking a class they find more fun is certainly more attainable than the devs redesigning an entire role, especially after reworks. On that note, I personally love how simple the healer rotation is, it's the main reason I like healing, because I don't like optimising dps.

Unfortunately it would seem given the mass healer shortage across all content that your "simple solution" is really hurting the game right now. I'm sure all of those people who "love how simple the healer rotation is" are showing up in droves for PF this tier, right? Oh, they're not? People are really sitting for hours in Party Finder waiting for healers to show up to fill their parties? Yoshida had to ask DPS and Tank players to play healers because it's gotten so bad that people have been asking him about it in liveletter Q&A's?
Seems to me like the "simple solution" is to stop being dismissive of player concerns and make these jobs varied and interesting again. And if you don't like optimizing DPS, you probably shouldn't be playing SCH, since it's the healer that wants to optimize its DPS the most at the cost of its healing. Or any content above Normal difficulty really, since optimizing your DPS is what you're supposed to do in order to ensure you clear. If you're not playing that content; then what we're asking for back won't affect you at all.

[Mithron]

What I see is that some people don't enjoy playing healer because they find it boring or unfun. I don't understand why anyone would force themselves to play something they find boring or unfun... because I don't like optimising dps.

Since your argument is go play a different job, my retort to you is go play a different game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯