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  1. #11
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    Kansene's Avatar
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    Rajeko Thunderbright
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    Lich
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    Scholar Lv 98
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    I specifically play and love FF14 because everybody, including healers, is expected to contribute to DPS in significant ways. Very few people want to be heal slaves, they are a loud minority. I do not miss heal slaves in any game. Almost everyone wants to hit enemies, one way or another.
    While I embrace and accept this fact, I'd be one happy camper if they remake AST in 7.0 to focus their GCDs more on buffing allies than damaging enemies in a party setting.
    I just really like the support niche, and having healers with different DPS approaches would be awesome.

    Make WHM a proc-based nuke job!
    Make SCH a DoT job!
    Make AST a buff machine!
    Make SGE's eukrasia better and more interesting!
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    Myamoto Musashi
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    Ravana
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    Arcanist Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    I believe currently this is the most pressing issue in the entire game that needs to be addressed above everything else. That is my feedback.
    maybe roll a DPS?
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  3. #13
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    Wind-up Everyone
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabmow View Post
    maybe roll a DPS?
    What if he just doesn’t want to be bored out of his skull when playing a job he wants to play?
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    Mithron Scarlet
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tabmow View Post
    maybe roll a DPS?
    You mean only one role gets to have fun? That's bad game design. Why would anyone want to tank or heal if they can't contribute to DPS in significant ways? No one wants to slave others. Tanking and healing is fun because we get to do other stuff on top of our DPS rotations and think about the fight in different ways.
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  5. #15
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Tabmow View Post
    maybe roll a DPS?
    Maybe return the actions that we used to have? The same actions that when they were removed in 5.0 caused the game to literally bleed healers overnight
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  6. #16
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kansene View Post
    While I embrace and accept this fact, I'd be one happy camper if they remake AST in 7.0 to focus their GCDs more on buffing allies than damaging enemies in a party setting.
    I just really like the support niche, and having healers with different DPS approaches would be awesome.

    Make WHM a proc-based nuke job!
    Make SCH a DoT job!
    Make AST a buff machine!
    Make SGE's eukrasia better and more interesting!
    I played one game where there was a support class whose core identity was providing buffs to the party, it was probably my favourite alt. the interesting thing was that those buffs were passive skills that were basically selected at the start and applied by that class . After that, this class was expected to DPS and heal in various degrees, depending upon the content.

    Compared to the above, or even to its present state, I would definitely not want AST to be turned into a "buff machine".
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  7. #17
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    Rithris Amaya
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    Twintania
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tabmow View Post
    maybe roll a DPS?
    "just play dps"

    ah yes. Not like wanting a role type aka healers to just be better, the current state of healers being unappealing is why no one wants to really play them.
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  8. #18
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    Agnes Nimue
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    I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations
    Same. Honestly it isn’t even the fact that we just don’t have DPS tools, it’s that DPS is about the only engaging thing left to do.

    My impossible dream would be that FF14 goes back and revamps all those old game systems. MP/TP management as a crucial part of your own gameplay loop with physical ranged having party resource buffs as an added bonus. Tanks having the sole responsibility of aggro management with enmity/damage stance dancing. Healers having powerful heals on long cooldowns and being more reliant on GCD heals and having to quickly decide on either doing damage or healing the party, as well as healing capabilities on other jobs being slightly limited. Fight designs having more frantic mechanics with unpredictable damage going out. Having more in general to manage other than a perfect rotation.

    Maybe I’m asking for something “I think I want, but don’t really.” Either way, it’s not happening because SE doesn't want it to happen, so I want more damage abilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    Maybe return the actions that we used to have? The same actions that when they were removed in 5.0 caused the game to literally bleed healers overnight
    This is what’s bizarre to me. Healing used to be theoretically harder, and healers still had more engaging damage rotations. Now that healers ask for them back, all of a sudden it’s “well you don’t want to be a healer, huh?”
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  9. #19
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    Waxillium Larede
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Granted I understand the complaints here, but I just found the whole thing pretty damn hilarious and I know for a fact if they ever give healers some kind of dps rotation the people who like pure healing are going to lose their minds. There's no winning for the devs on healers imo, at least not outside of JP (their healer community is plenty healthy.)
    There are also complains in the JP community and even if the healer drought is not that big in the region, the role its still less populated than it should.

    The funny thing imo is that those pure healers are already fucked and proven wrong by the game design even with the current braindead state because

    -We have healing tools that deal damage
    -Sage kardia heals by dealing damage
    -The gcd cast time of offensive spells was reduced so we could heal while dealing damage
    -High end content that requires healers need said healers to deal damage otherwise the enrage is mathematically impossible
    -The healing needs of the game as well as the resource generation don't function with pure healing

    If with the current design they refuse to deal damage is up to them to play the role wrong but they shoudn't hijack an entire role just because they refuse to play the way the game is designed for and leech their parties. Catering to those players would be like saying its ok to grab the ball with the hands in soccer just because some people who refuse to learn to play soccer want to
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.

  10. #20
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    Glamazon Amazonia
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    Mateus
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    Astrologian Lv 98
    I haven’t logged in to play in a long time. I pop in to keep my house but I’m thinking even that may be time to let go. I pop in to do a bit of island stuff but… yeah is it worth it?

    How they designed their healers and their refusal to see how homogenized and boring they are has left me w little interest in continuing. Right now it’s just my nostalgia for the game keeping me going.
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