[Question] Lootmaster etiquette sanity check

[san-toki]

The group is over, but we had a priority system set up for alt drops, ie each player indicated which job they'd like to play most outside of static. Funnily, the party lead is the only one whose preferred weapon dropped, and she also made up a rule on-the-fly once she saw it had dropped that she would just lootmaster it to herself instead of letting others roll on it. That one seemed somewhat fairer, because I'm a fan of weapons going to people who will actually use them, but it similarly sketched me out that this rule didn't exist until she saw her own weapon drop.

I've been passing everything I don't feel strongly about, so I'm not necessarily salty about the loot, but it feels very wrong to me that the person who has had the best luck has also been manipulating rules to suit her to give herself even more, while very thinly falling within the realm of reasonableness. None of these "rules" were ever mentioned until the moment she saw they would benefit her.

[Saraide]

It incentivizes people to not open their weapon coffer, making reclears harder.

That can also be talked about, either allowing it or disallowing it. Reclears do not become harder, they just dont become easier through a stronger weapon.

The group is over, but we had a priority system set up for alt drops, ie each player indicated which job they'd like to play most outside of static. Funnily, the party lead is the only one whose preferred weapon dropped, and she also made up a rule on-the-fly once she saw it had dropped that she would just lootmaster it to herself instead of letting others roll on it. That one seemed somewhat fairer, because I'm a fan of weapons going to people who will actually use them, but it similarly sketched me out that this rule didn't exist until she saw her own weapon drop.

I've been passing everything I don't feel strongly about, so I'm not necessarily salty about the loot, but it feels very wrong to me that the person who has had the best luck has also been manipulating rules to suit her to give herself even more, while very thinly falling within the realm of reasonableness. None of these "rules" were ever mentioned until the moment she saw they would benefit her.

Then you had a bad party leader.

[Azuri]

This logic fundamentally makes no sense to me.

You have good RNG and get your BiS weapon early. Why does that entitle you to a second guaranteed weapon while everyone else only deserves one?

Because the RNG factor here is the random weapon. Not the coffer, which is guaranteed. You don't deny someone a guaranteed drop because they happened to get a lucky random one.

An argument can be made about them having lower priority on other random weapons, like with the bow in your story. Provided there was any genuine contest on those (holding a weapon that was taken just so it doesn't fall on the floor over someones head on actually desirable loot is asinine).

[san-toki]

Because the RNG factor here is the random weapon. Not the coffer, which is guaranteed. You don't deny someone a guaranteed drop because they happened to get a lucky random one.

An argument can be made about them having lower priority on other random weapons, like with the bow in your story. Provided there was any genuine contest on those (holding a weapon that was taken just so it doesn't fall on the floor over someones head on actually desirable loot is asinine).

The base expectation of receiving a weapon coffer before you are BiS is that you open the weapon on your main job. The point is to get everyone their BiS weapon. The other seven people were forced to open the weapon coffer on their main job - why would the 8th person who got a direct drop of their BiS weapon have an expectation that they, but nobody else, deserve a having-fun coffer to open on whatever job they please? That seems glaringly unfair and selfish to me.

[Azuri]

The base expectation of receiving a weapon coffer before you are BiS is that you open the weapon on your main job. The point is to get everyone their BiS weapon. The other seven people were forced to open the weapon coffer on their main job - why would the 8th person who got a direct drop of their BiS weapon have an expectation that they, but nobody else, deserve a having-fun coffer to open on whatever job they please? That seems glaringly unfair and selfish to me.

If the expectation is for them to open it on their main job, then they essentially got screwed over by having their weapon drop twice. Once as their coffer and once as a random weapon.

Or you would have preferred if they passed on the random and waited for their coffer? Group DPS be damned.

The random weapon is inherently unfair. Which is exactly why it should never affect the disribution of fair loot like the coffer.

[Xaphire]

There are 8 reclears and 8 coffers. One per player. Just how there are 8 chest pieces. Random weapons are a bonus. I see no problem with what happened.

Agreed - this is how groups I've been in have run it even without lootmaster. I assume other players all also got off-job weapons through out. The player whose weapon actually dropped shouldn't be excluded from also getting a guaranteed weapon. They can just use the coffer for an off-job. I would like to hope had another players' main weapon dropped they also would have been afforded a guaranteed coffer.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

My group treats coffers and weapon drops separately.

If a weapon drops for someone, they are not losing access to the coffer in the span of 8 clears. An argument can be made that early on you should spread the loot for damage checks (Abyssos definitely had us work in order of who gains the most out of their current weapon upgrade), but otherwise I think it is fair game if everyone receives 1 coffer, regardless if they already had their BiS weapon drop.

[Wolwosh]

Never join a static with a couple as the leaders. It always goes wrong believe me..
Also why does your static needs lootmaster? That implies there is no trust which doesn't make for a good static..

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Never join a static with a couple as the leaders. It always goes wrong believe me..
Also why does your static needs lootmaster? That implies there is no trust which doesn't make for a good static..

Lootmaster is a good setting to ensure no loot goes to the floor imo. Has saved my group various loot otherwise lost to us.

Also trust goes both ways. Why bother if you can't trust the lootmaster, ya know.

[Saraide]

This is all about setting expectations correctly. There is no inherent problem with deciding to go 1 coffer per player, no matter which weapons drop. Some people may be fine with it, some wont. The important thing is to talk about it in advance and this is apperently where your group leader failed.