We need to blackball people who pull S Marks too early.

[JamieRose]

Seriously can we start a list of rude people who pull and kill S marks when they know people are on their way?

That's really the only way that we can stop this sort of thing.

[DrWho2010]

there is no early pulling. there is only getting there too late.

[Aurida]

It'd be nice to eliminate them, but the official SE stance on hunt marks is that they're open world content and whatever you do with them is kosher unless it involves actively killing people using the hunt mark in question or resetting the thing to let more people arrive. Heck, we've even had someone with so little of a life that they have to self-destruct on Forgiven Gossip spawns to ruin SS rank attempts.

Until something about the system or SE's stance on it changes, the best we can do is to keep our chins up, control the flow of information so that the most possible people can make it there, and endorse hunt strategies that make it possible.

Folks shouldn't join in on early pulls either, is the thing! It takes five minutes for them to solo an ARR S rank and twenty-five for an HW S, so it should by all rights be a cooperative effort that involves people not swinging on the things until the established pull time or until it drops low.

[JamieRose]

It'd be nice to eliminate them, but the official SE stance on hunt marks is that they're open world content and whatever you do with them is kosher unless it involves actively killing people using the hunt mark in question or resetting the thing to let more people arrive. Heck, we've even had someone with so little of a life that they have to self-destruct on Forgiven Gossip spawns to ruin SS rank attempts.

Until something about the system or SE's stance on it changes, the best we can do is to keep our chins up, control the flow of information so that the most possible people can make it there, and endorse hunt strategies that make it possible.

Folks shouldn't join in on early pulls either, is the thing! It takes five minutes for them to solo an ARR S rank and twenty-five for an HW S, so it should by all rights be a cooperative effort that involves people not swinging on the things until the established pull time or until it drops low.

If Squeenix is going to sit on its hands, that's all the more reason the community needs to step up and blackball these idiots.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

As soon as there are enough people to kill a mark, it's not "too early" anymore. Waiting for others to share is friendly courtesy and not an obligation. I hate it too when they pull instantly, but if you can't get there in 2-3 minutes after the first call it's more or less your own fault. And this is okay, because you also have to respect people's time: Nobody wants to be sitting around a target for half an hour until everyone finally decided to show up.

[Aurida]

but if you can't get there in 2-3 minutes after the first call it's more or less your own fault.

Yeah no one rational in the history of the game has ever been disappointed that they didn't wait 15 minutes to pull and kill an S rank- the bit we have grievances with are the guys who did nothing to affect a spawn then rock up on the result of someone else's work and deny them their ability to share it because they have problems with them sharing it. We can express frustration with the fact that selfish individuals exist without having anyone play devil's advocate about it.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

As said, it sucks if people pull instantly. I don't like it, I don't do it and I think it's rude. I'm totally with you at this. At least give people a call and a chance.
But OP just stated they were 'on the way' without letting us know how long it has been since the S-mark was spotted. I've seen people complaining in-game because we didn't wait 5 more minutes for them to finish up first whatever they were doing and that's the line I'm personally drawing: Give people enough time to come to the mark right after the call (usually a few minutes), then pull. If they want to finish up crafting, gathering, questing or whatever, it's their lost. Not going to waste people's time either.

[Canadane]

there is no early pulling. there is only getting there too late.

This.
There'll always be someone who got a call to arms late, their network of hunters being a little sluggish or they simply had a long load time.
There'll always be someone arriving late, and from their point of view, seeing a hunt engaged seconds before they even show up is "early pulling."
Someone who shows up and pulls the mark without delay isn't early pulling, it's just pulling. If you're there, you are free to engage in combat as well. If you missed it, oh well be faster on the next one. It's not like there's a limited number of spawns.

[SweetestLily]

Seriously can we start a list of rude people who pull and kill S marks when they know people are on their way?

That's really the only way that we can stop this sort of thing.

Not really a fan of anything that publicly list people's names and makes them a potential Target for harrasment and witch hunts and I'm sure neither is SE.

[Jimmymagic]

there is no early pulling. there is only getting there too late.

this is spot on