6.28 Patch Notes

**ForteNightshade** · 11-01-2022 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by FireMage

Hey remember when Xenosys Vex literally hopped from WAR to GNB and then suddenly was clearing Heph 1? I do. Literally a case of bring the class. You are dismissed until you have something of value to post

You do realize this completely nullifies your original argument, yes? Xeno wouldn't have switched if Warrior was balanced properly. And it would be balanced properly if the devs (and people in general) stopped using subjective variables like job difficulty.

Even taken at face value, that excuse doesn't hold up. Pretty much every experienced tank player would rank Paladin as the most difficult tank to optimize. Hence the "spreadsheet tank" memes. Meanwhile, a good amount of players consider Dark Knight very similar to Warrior. So by that logic, Dark Knight should be among the weakest tanks. Instead, it's the strongest in nearly every category. It's almost like job difficulty is, yet again, entirely subjective and a very poor metric to use.

Put another way. Most players will play their preferred job regardless of whether an easier achieves comparable damage. Gunbreaker players aren't going to suddenly become Warrior mains if the latter was buffed to match it. Look no further than White Mage, a job which has always been ranked below Astro in the meta scene yet is always more popular. This only changes if the separation becomes too high.

**hagare** · 11-01-2022 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by FireMage

Hey remember when Xenosys Vex literally hopped from WAR to GNB and then suddenly was clearing Heph 1? I do. Literally a case of bring the class. You are dismissed until you have something of value to post

so you agree that all jobs should be working at a similar level of performance no matter how they play.

**Lyth** · 11-01-2022 04:14 PM

You've just demonstrated why jobs should have rdps parity within a given role. You contradicted your very own statement about subjectively 'higher skill' jobs deserving to have preferential treatment. Good work.

**FireMage** · 11-01-2022 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Lyth

You've just demonstrated why jobs should have rdps parity within a given role. You contradicted your very own statement about subjectively 'higher skill' jobs deserving to have preferential treatment. Good work.

Except that I didn't. There's a distinct difference between a permissible gap, and inbalance. And you clearly lack the education to tell the difference

**Rein_eon_Osborne** · 11-01-2022 04:56 PM

Darn! I was meme'ing for weeks that MCH will get +10p to their actions but instead they're given +20p, I've missed the mark

Need to train my psychic better another time.

Also, I think at this point I'm starting to reading into the lines a bit too much... but I can shake off the odd feeling when reading SGE's balance overview, specifically the following explanation phrase: "To ensure all sages felt the benefits of these changes, regardless of playstyle--"

Other than that... oh yeah. They're making some pieces dyeable. I hope this will extend to other undyeable pieces like those pieces from ARR, HW, and StB Alliance Raids, Woad set, Valkyrie set, Plague Doctor, Arhat, etc etc... you name it!

**Iscah** · 11-01-2022 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Other than that... oh yeah. They're making some pieces dyeable. I hope this will extend to other undyeable pieces like those pieces from ARR, HW, and StB Alliance Raids, Woad set, Valkyrie set, Plague Doctor, Arhat, etc etc... you name it!

Valkyrie sets! The healer top needs dye badly. What were they thinking with the brown-and-violet colour scheme there?

**KageTokage** · 11-01-2022 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Other than that... oh yeah. They're making some pieces dyeable. I hope this will extend to other undyeable pieces like those pieces from ARR, HW, and StB Alliance Raids, Woad set, Valkyrie set, Plague Doctor, Arhat, etc etc... you name it!

All of the now dyeable pieces already had crafted color variants that were dyeable, so I assume they were chosen mostly because it was easier then giving a completely new set that treatment.

I think I'd probably want to see the Arhat pieces dyeable the most out of the mentioned, though.

**Momo_Kozuki** · 11-01-2022 05:13 PM

WHM's Miracle of Nature gets nerfed again in pvp.

How about make Miracle of Nature an 5m range AoE next? High risk, high gain as a gap-closer disabler.

Also more dyeable low-level sets are cool. Hope they will do Shisui set next.

**Reimmi** · 11-02-2022 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

WHM's Miracle of Nature gets nerfed again in pvp.

How about make Miracle of Nature an 5m range AoE next? High risk, high gain as a gap-closer disabler.

Also more dyeable low-level sets are cool. Hope they will do Shisui set next.

They're nerfing it the wrong way.
Return the original range, but make it 1, purifyable, or 2, break on damage.
It's just a extra stun with no counterplay to guarantee kills which is bad gameplay

**FireMage** · 11-01-2022 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by hagare

so you agree that all jobs should be working at a similar level of performance no matter how they play.

I see you chose not to read anything following like the prior t-cup. What is with the rampant illiteracy on here?

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