Paladin Reworks??

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

This might just be my ignorance showing, however, every time someone brings up the fact they dislike the 2 minute meta, you always have more people agree than disagree. You would have thought, if you enjoyed it, you would want to say something. You never know, you might have a thought that the 2 minute meta opposers didn't think of, which causes them to think. These discussions need to happen and pros and cons need to be built up. Is everyone going to agree? Probably not, but that shouldn't stop the discussions from happening.

And everytime I tried to argue about it, all I got was "everyone hates the 2 minute meta, look MrHappy hates it, and those two other people on the forum too". I don't want to play the victim here, but nobody actually contradicted any point I made previously in this thread in favor of the 2min meta, I always get sent back to this.

I don't dislike sustained dps classes, nor do I dislike 70s burst, or even 90s burst, or whatever. What I'm arguing is that when you have different burst timers, some classes are mechanically disadvantaged for some fights. For example, if at 1:40, the boss becomes untargetable, and comes back at 1:55 the 90s, 20s-long burst class will lose much more dps than 2-minute burst classes, which will cause imbalance, and SE will get hate for it. I don't mind having sustained dps classes, but you can't have differently timed burst classes and expect fights to be fair to all classes.

Because every expansion before this one, many classes had different times of burst windows. Some were 80s. Some 90s. Some 70s. If you tried to fit everything into NIN's Trick Attack on every single job, it was a massive DPS loss and destroyed most jobs' rotation. This makes the jobs feel more unique and fun to play, because different timers means different play styles.

Same thing, since some classes will combine better together, because their bursts are aligned, they will have more dps than any other combination. That combination will become mandatory in wanna-be hardcore raid parties, some classes will be excluded, much more severely than MCH is right now, and the balance will be a mess. Sacrificing the "my burst is uniquely timed" part of a class "identity" for preventing such meta is pretty worthwhile, to me.

Because this game makes billions of dollars. "Can't" is not something that applies to developers who make billions of dollars.

Them making millions (yes, millions, making even one billion with a game is pretty hard, you know ?) is absolutely unrelated to them being able or willing to listen to forums, especially on controversial subjects where a consensus is far, very far from obtained, however vocal they may be. I've seen and read more people ask for changes for the PLD than people wanting it to stay the same, except on this forum, so yeah, you're not the majority, and therefore, they won't listen to you, especially when most of the work seems already done. If there IS an issue after the rework, and the majority of people agree on that, then you can discuss changes and so on, but right now, it's pointless.

Also, if the situation became like this, it means it can change again. It's not like people suddenly realized that the game was always on a 2 minute burst/raid buff rotation meta since launch.

And then again, I'm sure it will, if the general consensus is that the two-minute meta is bad. But if there are people like me that raid and have social interactions with all kinds of players, from casual to hardcore, playing with them daily, roulettes and so on, and never heard of any complaint about it, chances are you're not the majority. That doesn't mean you should stay quiet, but that means you can't just use "everyone knows that 2-minute meta is bad" as an argument.