Quick Chat messages are WRONG and HURT casual players

[Eisi]

As a normal player, what are you going to think when someone says

"Attacking White Mage!"

?

You will likely think: "Ah, that person is informing me that they are taking care of the WHM, that's so nice of them!"

However, in CC those quick chat commands are used to inform other people to actually focus a target together. So why doesn't it say

"Focus the White Mage!"

?

That would be way better for casual players who do not inform themselves about the game via external sources. Who is supposed to know that "I am attacking X!" actually means "You should attack X!"? Make no mistake, there is easily a majority of players who is actively mislead by this chat command.

Also egregious: In German the "Fall back and regroup!" chat command just says "Regroup!" Nobody understands that they're supposed to actually fall back and seek safety.

Using Quick Chat thus has barely any effect, cause people don't understand that I mean Y when I say X. I just can't say Y.

It's so anti-casual, because in order to even understand what's going on you have to be in the know about what those chat commands actually mean.

Another example: Some players use "Hello!" to signify that their burst is ready. Are you kidding me? This makes part of PvP inherently inapproachable for normal people.


As a tryhard I am forced to stand by and not able to help my fellow normal people gamers, who don't do anything wrong, they are just being mislead by bad game design. I can individually help after the match, but I would prefer if the game gave us the chat commands we really need.

[Naoki34]

Well, if you don't turn your brain off in PvP, it's still very understandable...

A WHM is a healer => Focus Heal
Reassure me, do you know how to recognize a healer on the battlefield, all the same?

Since Counter-strike (2000) everyone understands what "Regroup Team" means.

When you click "Hello!" for a LB ready, it's called a missclick.

FFXIV's /emotes are very poorly thought out, but this is still okey, regardind PvP.

[Eisi]

Well, if you don't turn your brain off in PvP, it's still very understandable...

No it's not.

A WHM is a healer => Focus Heal

Focus heal does not exist as a chat command. Or do you mean that healers should be focused by default? This is not the case.

Reassure me, do you know how to recognize a healer on the battlefield, all the same?

Yes, the little icon next to their name, however I do think it's a bit too small.

Since Counter-strike (2000) everyone understands what "Regroup Team" means.

Fall Back and Regroup is the correct command for Crystalline Conflict and should not omit the Fall Back part in German. Nobody can be expected to be an avid multiplayer pvp conoisseur like you.

When you click "Hello!" for a LB ready, it's called a missclick.

Some players use "Hello!" to signal that their burst/CC is ready, not even neccessarily their LB.

[Tiramu]

Well, if you don't turn your brain off in PvP, it's still very understandable...

A WHM is a healer => Focus Heal
Reassure me, do you know how to recognize a healer on the battlefield, all the same?

Since Counter-strike (2000) everyone understands what "Regroup Team" means.

When you click "Hello!" for a LB ready, it's called a missclick.

FFXIV's /emotes are very poorly thought out, but this is still okey, regardind PvP.

This is a big part of the problem the OP is recognising.

"Since counter strike 2000 everyone understands what "Regroup Team" means".

If you play a lot of online games, perhaps. But not everyone does. I dont, I could probably guess but still.

Anyway, I can count on one hand the number of online games I play.

There is a massive amount of MMO jargon that experienced MMO players have came to recognise over many years of playing online games. Sometimes people start discussing strats that are so full of jargon its meaningless.

[MilkieTea]

"Since counter strike 2000 everyone understands what "Regroup Team" means".

If you play a lot of online games, perhaps. But not everyone does. I dont, I could probably guess but still.

Sorry, not necessarily against the spirit of this message, but how the heck do you not know what the words "Regroup" and "Team" mean enough to put them together? Should these messages cater to the absolute lowest possible denominator??? How would they even do that with as basic of a message as this?

"Everyone come back together"? That's way too much to process and puts the action at the end rather than at the beginning, which means someone is likely to miss it. "Together Everyone Group"?

[Tiramu]

Sorry, not necessarily against the spirit of this message, but how the heck do you not know what the words "Regroup" and "Team" mean enough to put them together? Should these messages cater to the absolute lowest possible denominator??? How would they even do that with as basic of a message as this?

"Everyone come back together"? That's way too much to process and puts the action at the end rather than at the beginning, which means someone is likely to miss it. "Together Everyone Group"?

I said I could guess, that example is easy to get. But, as you understood, the spirit of the post was that MMO's have a lot of jargon that people who dont play a lot of online games dont know.

[flowerfairy]

The best thing you can do is use markers to show who you’re focusing. Nobody looks at the chat bar when in fighting, so no any fancy words will convince randoms to do what you want.

[Elfidan]

The best thing you can do is use markers to show who you’re focusing. Nobody looks at the chat bar when in fighting, so no any fancy words will convince randoms to do what you want.

Real and true.

[Karasio]

I'm just surprised that for a game mode with such a reliance on bursting people down, they didn't include the "Focus <target>" chat commands from The Feast times.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I'm just surprised that for a game mode with such a reliance on bursting people down, they didn't include the "Focus <target>" chat commands from The Feast times.

They really need to return the Focused Attack Quickchat... we had "attack <x>" even with that, one player more was not worth the removal of that command.