Time to address the real problem - RMT buyers

[Dohmi-Zeiva]

I would very much like Yoshi to address the entire botting issue in depth both during a live letter and via one of his lodestone posts.

It honestly feels like they have put it in the too hard/not profitable enough basket.

Lazy.

[Deveryn]

I would very much like Yoshi to address the entire botting issue in depth both during a live letter and via one of his lodestone posts.

It honestly feels like they have put it in the too hard/not profitable enough basket.

Lazy.

He's more or less addressed it already when he's responded to add-on questions. He doesn't want the game to impose a crazy amount of restrictions.

The first and most logical thing that would have to get looked at is the free trial.

[Kes13a]

He's more or less addressed it already when he's responded to add-on questions. He doesn't want the game to impose a crazy amount of restrictions.

The first and most logical thing that would have to get looked at is the free trial.

he doesnt need to "impose restrictions" he needs to have a competent team, not the STF since they have proven they cant do anything meaningful, and they need to start account actions on BUYERS.

screw the botting, if the market dries up the bot problem will sort itself out. all they are doing now, is going after the symptom, not the cause.

ban the people who buy gil. period. stop dinking around with the low hanging fruit. they own the servers, they own the data, they have zero excuse NOT to be able to do this. they can track the money, and if you start giving a vacation to real people, and then ban them for a second offense, that sends a better message than banning thousands and thousands of throw away accounts.

[Atelier-Bagur]

he doesnt need to "impose restrictions" he needs to have a competent team, not the STF since they have proven they cant do anything meaningful, and they need to start account actions on BUYERS.

screw the botting, if the market dries up the bot problem will sort itself out. all they are doing now, is going after the symptom, not the cause.

ban the people who buy gil. period. stop dinking around with the low hanging fruit. they own the servers, they own the data, they have zero excuse NOT to be able to do this. they can track the money, and if you start giving a vacation to real people, and then ban them for a second offense, that sends a better message than banning thousands and thousands of throw away accounts.

I bet you my entire life savings what you just suggested was probably one of the first thoughts they had when they ran into this problem. Easier said than done.

[Kes13a]

I bet you my entire life savings what you just suggested was probably one of the first thoughts they had when they ran into this problem. Easier said than done.

I wouldnt. knowing how "well" the STF functions, I doubt they have seriously considered this option at any point. it isnt easy. it needs a competent team of humans to review and assess.

it requires effort on their end. auto bot banning is far simpler and means the STF can still have their tea circle and not work for a living.

I am sure SE could come up with a competent team for it, and pay them... if they cared....

[ForteNightshade]

I bet you my entire life savings what you just suggested was probably one of the first thoughts they had when they ran into this problem. Easier said than done.

Considering the Report RMT Activity feature was only implemented after Yoshida himself got tell spammed when he visited NA datacenters. I wouldn't make that bet if I were you.

[Renalt]

he doesnt need to "impose restrictions" he needs to have a competent team, not the STF since they have proven they cant do anything meaningful, and they need to start account actions on BUYERS.

screw the botting, if the market dries up the bot problem will sort itself out. all they are doing now, is going after the symptom, not the cause.

ban the people who buy gil. period. stop dinking around with the low hanging fruit. they own the servers, they own the data, they have zero excuse NOT to be able to do this. they can track the money, and if you start giving a vacation to real people, and then ban them for a second offense, that sends a better message than banning thousands and thousands of throw away accounts.

Actually now that I think about it...maybe put a fear tactic in. Have people in the guise of a Gil seller and if those people try to put gold...to the GM Jail for you and be like "This is your only warning". Word spreads, people can't tell if a real RMT or if a GM anymore, and they stop risking their accounts to buy gil.

I'd say that is worth testing for a month or so.

[Rolder50]

Actually now that I think about it...maybe put a fear tactic in. Have people in the guise of a Gil seller and if those people try to put gold...to the GM Jail for you and be like "This is your only warning". Word spreads, people can't tell if a real RMT or if a GM anymore, and they stop risking their accounts to buy gil.

I'd say that is worth testing for a month or so.

That wouldn't really work because most gil sellers just spam links to external websites, you aren't buying or interacting with the spammer.

[Shibi]

he doesnt need to "impose restrictions" he needs to have a competent team, not the STF since they have proven they cant do anything meaningful...

I'm rather surprised that they didn't do this first. With a few roaming world-appearing GMs here and there to tackle the problem, jumping world to world in places like Eureka, with public executions, the problem should have been lessened. Less people will buy if there is a stronger chance a GM might appear right next to them and Akh-morn them into the seven hells.

The STF have been forever and continually useless, and the GMs answering our in game tickets have for far too long done a schultz-like "I know nothing, nothing" when it comes to reporting RMT. SE has always given the impression that they are just too busy, and too cheap, to deal with the problem.

They still need to seriously step up the number of staff dealing with this, and they need to make it international, and not just for their home market.

[Kes13a]

I'm rather surprised that they didn't do this first. With a few roaming world-appearing GMs here and there to tackle the problem, jumping world to world in places like Eureka, with public executions, the problem should have been lessened. Less people will buy if there is a stronger chance a GM might appear right next to them and Akh-morn them into the seven hells.

The STF have been forever and continually useless, and the GMs answering our in game tickets have for far too long done a schultz-like "I know nothing, nothing" when it comes to reporting RMT. SE has always given the impression that they are just too busy, and too cheap, to deal with the problem.

They still need to seriously step up the number of staff dealing with this, and they need to make it international, and not just for their home market.

the problem is.. the GM's are PROHIBITED from doing that. the entire existence of the STF is to deal with that. and only a moron would think 4 people can do that for ALL of SE's servers, yet thats the expectation. I am sure the GM's would love the ability to do something, but likely busy with player issues. I wouldnt be surprised if the GM's are not even able to pass things over to the STF.

the STF is honestly god given useless. I dont know if they send people there that have a few months left before retirement or what, but they are VERY overpaid for what they seem to actually accomplish. it needs to be a bigger team to be more effective for anything. right now it appears to just be cronies collecting a paycheque