We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue

[JamieRose]

He meant the Japanese forums. They don't consider feedback from here.

Never have, never will.

They sure like our money, tho.

[DPZ2]

Please look into implementing and utilizing player surveys like every single other major live service game does so that you can get direct feedback on potential changes, player/user use cases for current features you want to depreciate and-or replace and scrap this idea that the forums provide any meaningful feedback.

Please list out those major live service games. I've been playing computer games for 40+ years and I've never seen an official player survey from any of the online vendors. An example of the player survey, complete with "do you think change X, which occurs on our out-of-game store will affect you", would be nice.

I do not consider the WoW PTR to be a "player survey", just in case that's what you had in mind.

[Godzillaxpowerrangers]

It has been one poor decision after another. This new decision stinks because me and the person I am bonded too would give each other something from the shop for Christmas and the date we had the bonding. Not anymore it seems.

[Zel_Zackarias]

And they love upcharging the NA players compared to the EU players by at least $5 or so too. The street wear and fat cat sets are cheaper in the EU currency than USD. Both currencies are about a 1 to 1 exchange right now too so you can't even say it's a currency conversion thing. (Unless something has changed, but last time I checked EU pays $17 euro to our $22 USD for those sets)

Also yes, I'm in agreement with everyone else here. I was waiting for the gifting to come back because I have friends who don't have any of the dance emotes from the online store, and now they likely never will. This is the worst change and one that they openly admit doesn't actually prevent RMT.

But I also know they don't listen to us on these forums either so unless the JP forums are also complaining nothing will change. ☹️

[rainichan]

Please list out those major live service games. I've been playing computer games for 40+ years and I've never seen an official player survey from any of the online vendors. An example of the player survey, complete with "do you think change X, which occurs on our out-of-game store will affect you", would be nice.

I do not consider the WoW PTR to be a "player survey", just in case that's what you had in mind.

I got a survey last year from the FFXIV devs because of how long I've been playing:


(sorry for quality, the screenshot was huge and resizing it so it's not huge here tanked some quality)

I don't think the survey is active anymore, but it asked me things like what changes I would like to see in game, what they've done right, what they could do better on, etc.

Blizzard sent out some surveys regarding monetization for Overwatch 2 (though haha, their monetization sucks) before they finalized anything.

These are the only two I can think of off the top of my head that were recent, but game devs do this often. It's not every single player ever, but a smaller group of people usually.

[geminipestdeath]

Nice of them to announce/implement this change literally four days before my FC holds our All Saints' Wake glamour contest with a slated Mogstation mount as the top prize. Going to be real fun explaining that to an entire FC's worth of people who had their hopes up for that.

Like.. I get it, man, you guys want to tackle RMT and all, but as far as silly ways to go about it this definitely takes the cake. If anything this is just going to make things worse because RMTers will now request account access to provide the mounts/minions/etc instead of just... forwarding a gift code.

So what do we do now? "Grand prize gets $25 on Paypal to (hopefully) purchase the aforementioned item"? Dunno man, seems even more shady than the tacit acceptance that people will RMT mounts.

[Arzalis]

This change sucks. It's not going to stop anything (which they admit) and severely limits the things we can send to people.

Just in time for the holidays when these sorts of things were most likely to be sent.

This isn't even mentioning how common giveways and such are across the community. SE is getting more and more out of touch.

[Nav_Fae]

Hopefully. Yes.

Minions is certainly a weird one. They claim this is done to prevent someone getting a gift they already own. However, minions are clearly viewable on lodestone, so it's pretty easy for us to check if our friend has the gift first.

Hopefully they can smarten it up a bit and do some form of linking to check the recipient's unlocks.

I actually bought a second emote for myself not realizing I already owned. Wasted 7 dollars and non refundable.

[Nav_Fae]

Nice of them to announce/implement this change literally four days before my FC holds our All Saints' Wake glamour contest with a slated Mogstation mount as the top prize. Going to be real fun explaining that to an entire FC's worth of people who had their hopes up for that.

Like.. I get it, man, you guys want to tackle RMT and all, but as far as silly ways to go about it this definitely takes the cake. If anything this is just going to make things worse because RMTers will now request account access to provide the mounts/minions/etc instead of just... forwarding a gift code.

So what do we do now? "Grand prize gets $25 on Paypal to (hopefully) purchase the aforementioned item"? Dunno man, seems even more shady than the tacit acceptance that people will RMT mounts.

They'd probably prefer if you did that so it removes them as the middle man. It just confirms to me that they consider giveaways and contests as a form of RMT.

[LaylaTsarra]

Doesn't RMT pay full price for codes?

I understand they discount the codes to get people to their sites and buy more than the items they're advertising from Mogstation but I fail to see how SE loses money form those initial sales. If anything it only reduces the sales from the honest people who can't gift their friends now. So how will it hinder RMT? I only see SE losing sales it made to RMT and now additionally to the community as a whole.

Someone please explain how this saves SE money and the reasoning behind it?