We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue

[AshDidit]

Pretty ridiculous change, the mount and minion restrictions genuinely make no sense because if someone is close enough to you that they're on your friend list, then you can just ask what they do or don't have or check Mogstation. I know Yoshida has been saying to provide constructive criticism on the forums in the recent PLLs, but when they keep making these strange backwards decisions this expansion, I really don't blame people for getting heated.

So my one constructive criticism and piece of advice is—

Please look into implementing and utilizing player surveys like every single other major live service game does so that you can get direct feedback on potential changes, player/user use cases for current features you want to depreciate and-or replace and scrap this idea that the forums provide any meaningful feedback.

Nonsensical decisions such as this could easily be avoided if they actually looked to the player base and surveyed us periodically to see how features are utilized and ask for opinions on these things rather than pushing out the changes and waiting to see how angry the player base becomes over a bad decision. Its 2022, not the early to mid-2000s and its time to actually act like this game is being developed and run in the modern era.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All of this! 100%
Yoshi... listen to Aniya!
She's better with words than I am.
I'm just angry!
#freetheminions

[Xeronia]

Pretty ridiculous change, the mount and minion restrictions genuinely make no sense because if someone is close enough to you that they're on your friend list, then you can just ask what they do or don't have or check Mogstation. I know Yoshida has been saying to provide constructive criticism on the forums in the recent PLLs, but when they keep making these strange backwards decisions this expansion, I really don't blame people for getting heated.

So my one constructive criticism and piece of advice is—

Please look into implementing and utilizing player surveys like every single other major live service game does so that you can get direct feedback on potential changes, player/user use cases for current features you want to depreciate and-or replace and scrap this idea that the forums provide any meaningful feedback.

Nonsensical decisions such as this could easily be avoided if they actually looked to the player base and surveyed us periodically to see how features are utilized and ask for opinions on these things rather than pushing out the changes and waiting to see how angry the player base becomes over a bad decision. Its 2022, not the early to mid-2000s and its time to actually act like this game is being developed and run in the modern era.

Not only that but you can check their lodestone for mounts and minions collected before buying. I personally do this every time I buy something. I figured outfits would have this issue because there is no way to check that without asking the person as lodestone doesn't track that.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

Not only that but you can check their lodestone for mounts and minions collected before buying. I personally do this every time I buy something. I figured outfits would have this issue because there is no way to check that without asking the person as lodestone doesn't track that.

I do believe I meant to mention that in the latter half of my first sentence, but said Mogstation instead of Lodestone. I have since edited that, thanks for pointing it out. It does seem weird to me that Lodestone tracks this, but somehow the online store can't be altered to tap into the lodestone database for this information? Though, I suppose there are likely security risks tying a store front directly to the game's database for player data, etc.

[Xeronia]

I do believe I meant to mention that in the latter half of my first sentence, but said Mogstation instead of Lodestone. I have since edited that, thanks for pointing it out. It does seem weird to me that Lodestone tracks this, but somehow the online store can't be altered to tap into the lodestone database for this information? Though, I suppose there are likely security risks tying a store front directly to the game's database for player data, etc.

Oh no problem, I do find this all to be very perplexing and hopefully feedback will be taken into account here. I had intended to buy a friend the Lyse Leadership outfit as a return gift for something but I am now considering holding my money due to this choice.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

The usual SE scorched-earth approach to RMT that ultimately does nothing to stop RMT and instead harms actual normal players.

I should be surprised, but I'm really not at this point.

[BunnyHoppings]

I usually don't post on the lodestone but I feel I gotta add my weight to this thread and hope someone is listening.

Square, you don't need to kneecaps your players and gut giveaways to combat RMT. I don't know how they thought that was a good idea, but I really hope that this system will be reversed, or at least adjusted.

Maybe it would be possible to have a mogstation friend system, where you could friend people even if they have characters on different regions (as I've seen giveaways done on twitter, discord, and on twitch, not restricted to players attending an in-game event).

And even then - entirely removing the ability to gift mounts, emotes, bardings, orchestrion rolls, face paint, fashion accessories... But tales of adventure are still giftable?

Please someone at Square Enix do something

[deebug96]

They should do that or even show a warning when you try to buy something the person already has. You can't even turn off your mounts and minions showing.

[dspguy]

I think this will hurt SE's bottom line, but possibly less than the fraudulent purchases and chargebacks were. I think less people will use the mogshop now. It sounds like we can't just order something and get a code and then give the code to someone. Unless I'm misreading it.

Frankly, if I was going to gift someone a mogshop item in game, I should be willing to transfer them the cash and let them make the purchase (or keep the money).

[Cheremia]

I think this will hurt SE's bottom line, but possibly less than the fraudulent purchases and chargebacks were. I think less people will use the mogshop now. It sounds like we can't just order something and get a code and then give the code to someone. Unless I'm misreading it.

Frankly, if I was going to gift someone a mogshop item in game, I should be willing to transfer them the cash and let them make the purchase (or keep the money).

You CAN just give the money

But dropping a code out of nowhere and in secret is fun and an actual surprise.
While I will just do that AND did it before for other things, it just feels... less personal

I know its a selfish reason but if it's a surprise it should be a surprise and not dropping money and like "here, for this exact thing, use it or not, who cares"

[AshDidit]

I think this will hurt SE's bottom line, but possibly less than the fraudulent purchases and chargebacks were. I think less people will use the mogshop now. It sounds like we can't just order something and get a code and then give the code to someone. Unless I'm misreading it.

Frankly, if I was going to gift someone a mogshop item in game, I should be willing to transfer them the cash and let them make the purchase (or keep the money).

It's less about the who and more about the what.
If they were truly concerned about 'stolen credit cards' and 'chargebacks' then wouldn't they have fixed the 'credit card system' not restrict which items you can buy?

It is very clearly the items that RP venues and other ingame community events -give away- to people who attend their in game events that are being restricted... and literally -nothing- was done to fix who's credit card you're using to buy the items.
Just a bit fishy.