The Savage loot system fails on nearly every level

[Atelier-Bagur]

It has been off for a while so I guess it's oka-
Oops, my WT is going to expire!
Uh oh, I haven't done my Faux retell yet!
And I haven't finished the Omicron beast tribe questline yet, missing a day is missed progress you know!
Shoot, I still am one blade short before I can a sweet 620 weapon. Need to run that P8 this week~!
...Oh, and I forgot to set my Island Sanctuary's tasks for the week
*looks at the daily roulettes with the daily bonus unclaimed*
Aww man!

And people say this game doesn't have lasting content that keeps them subbed. It all there!

[TMW001]

Yeah I started getting serious on my crafting and have been busy with that and I even plan to do the beast tribe quest after that the game has plenty of content just folks only focus on MSQ and ignore stuff.

[Rithy255]

I can agree with the post mainly.

I think my biggest issue is how RNG gearing can be, if you're lucky you will gear quicker then everyone, you can get onto gearing alts a lot sooner then most people.

In a raid static situation it punishes Tanks and Healers because you will discourage/not allow lower DPS such as tank or healers to roll on gear before you gear out all your dps, people then complain they can't find healers in PF but surprise surprise they make the requirements to high for Healers. This is a big reason why we have a "healer shortage" with other reasons in my opinion.

Also talking about the "gear reduction" (when someone whos cleared plays with other players) couldn't they just make people who are helping someone else clear (who's already cleared this week) just I don't know... Not roll? Almost as if that pretty much solves the issue and doesn't punish players wanting to help others.


I generally want the system to:
1. Be less RNG, mostly for PF where everyone can roll for loot, I don't like the idea of gearing progress being RNG in the first place personally. (some people might find it more exciting?)
2. with people in a static situations shouldn't punish Tank or healer players.
3. Allow people to gear alt Jobs faster, I think gearing should take a while but it should also encourage going in as a alt job, that might help with "healer shortages" ect. While I don't think the solution is "just go healer lol" at least let people (who don't main healer) gear for healers in the first place...

[Ransu]

The loot reduction is kind of annoying and I wish they just made it so if you cleared on that job already then you can't roll on anything. That said, I'm fairly certain they did it this way to make it more difficult for groups that sell clears.

The rest of your post though? Meh. That's kind of a you problem. Ya, bad luck on rolls suck, but you could solve that by stop PFing and join a static.

[Jokerz_93]

The loot reduction is kind of annoying and I wish they just made it so if you cleared on that job already then you can't roll on anything. That said, I'm fairly certain they did it this way to make it more difficult for groups that sell clears.

The rest of your post though? Meh. That's kind of a you problem. Ya, bad luck on rolls suck, but you could solve that by stop PFing and join a static.

The fact is that the RNG in this game is quite a mess, not only for the loot system.
A friend of mine took 60 (sixty) runs to get the TT card withing Aglaia.
Also, they never dropped the last bozjan memory (the collectible one found by completing any fates within Bozja). They spent monthes without dropping it and it was the last one they needed.
That's go way far than "bad luck sucks", tbh.
And I'm preatty sure this is based onto an old RNG loot system that SE never changed and will never change.

From my point of view, a game (expecially a pay to play game) should give to all its customers equal chances to get what the it offers, so if XIV offered me other 7 players to play with I'd have no complaints about how bad this RNG is, but since everyone here pays the same amount of subscription, having some players able to get faster and with a better chance any items is simple unfair towards the other customers that may have not the same "luck" to have a premade party.
Making this division SE is basically not evaluating all of us on the same level.
However, I can see this from a marketing point of view which forces these "other" unlucky customers to be subbed longer if they want to be BiS at least with one job. (and now we can open a paragraph about how pointless is having BiS and gearing in XIV).
And, why in the world SE should change something that even if it receives a lot of complains still it brings tons of subs every month?

Here again I can't help but wonder: is this fair? Being treat like a milk cow?
I guess this is something that doesnt have only an answer and ppl do what they prefer to do and think what they prefer to think but definitly this game is not rapresenting the will of its playerbase anymore.

So, yeah it's all bad luck.

[Ransu]

From my point of view, a game (expecially a pay to play game) should give to all its customers equal chances to get what the it offers,

RNG literally means random number generator. Being random is as equal chance as it gets...If you don't want to deal with those equal chances in a PF then join a static where the group is willing to pass on items so you can get your BiS. Its a simple concept and it works fine. You get a book for each clear. If you don't get your drop then you can eventually get it with a book.

The core system is fine as it is. The only real issues is how it handles lockouts making it a chore to gear alts.

[LittleImp]

The current incarnation of the loot system is bad, and encourages a lot of toxicity and bitterness in pugs that otherwise just doesn't need to exist.
Here's an example situation that many of us probably know all too well:

You make a pug party to do a weekly p8s reclear. It takes the entire lockout to clear, and you finally clear on the last pull. 90% of the wipes that caused it to take the full lockout are the fault of a single unscrupulous person who entered the party on a role they weren't actually comfortable with. Said person rolls a 99 and a 98 on the chest/weapon coffer, wins both and leaves.

Pugging is hugely popular in this game, unlike any other MMO I've played. It's a super core part of the community, and I'd really like it to remain a viable and enjoyable way to play the game. The problem is that pugging a clear at this point is essentially just grinding for a chance to gamble, and it's a grind that can potentially take hours upon hours each week, totally independent of the individual players skill. The time it takes in and of itself is not really a problem; It's the fact that you can walk away empty handed for up to 8 weeks straight in some cases, regardless of how well you play, which can be super discouraging for some people.

"Just join a static" isn't really a useful response in a discussion about how the loot system could be reworked. Everyone knows that option is available. It'd just be cool if the pug loot system wasn't so toxic.

[Absimiliard]

"Just join a static" doesn't even work as a response at this point in time. So much of the raiding community just resorts to PF that statics are largely seen as unnecessary now, and the few people that do go looking tend to be unable to find one that fits. If PF is going to remain the go-to for the majority, then it stands to reason the loot system should be updated to reflect that.

[FireMage]

"Just join a static" doesn't even work as a response at this point in time. So much of the raiding community just resorts to PF that statics are largely seen as unnecessary now, and the few people that do go looking tend to be unable to find one that fits. If PF is going to remain the go-to for the majority, then it stands to reason the loot system should be updated to reflect that.

This is a joke post, yes?

[Amarande]

In a raid static situation it punishes Tanks and Healers because you will discourage/not allow lower DPS such as tank or healers to roll on gear before you gear out all your dps, people then complain they can't find healers in PF but surprise surprise they make the requirements to high for Healers. This is a big reason why we have a "healer shortage" with other reasons in my opinion.

I feel like this could possibly partly be solved by adjusting tanks and healers, or perhaps the fights (due to the following issue), so that there's more incentive to gear tanks and healers at a closer pace to the DPS.

Unfortunately, I'm not quite sure just how one would go about that, especially in light of the existing library of content (all of which is really at least supposed to still be clearable synced at the listed minimum ilvl, even though Unrestricted Party exists for legacy content) and its mechanics. As an easy to understand example, there are a very noticeable number of fights in the game that have healer checks where it is necessary to heal anywhere from one person to the entire group from 1 HP to full up in a fixed period of time; this, then, in turn expects that healers can heal a certain % of max health per GCD, meaning that healing power (in such terms) virtually is an irreversible upward ratchet in order to remain compatible with such mechanics.

Blizzard can get away with radically overhauling classes every expansion, because class balance vis-a-vis legacy content virtually never significantly matters, but SE cannot. This seems like it is actually becoming a significant drag upon design in general, sadly

"Just join a static" doesn't even work as a response at this point in time. So much of the raiding community just resorts to PF that statics are largely seen as unnecessary now, and the few people that do go looking tend to be unable to find one that fits. If PF is going to remain the go-to for the majority, then it stands to reason the loot system should be updated to reflect that.

So much this, I tried on a number of occasions to seek a suitable static when I was more endgame-active in XIV (particularly in Stormblood and Shadowbringers) and in stark contrast to WoW, where there really is an endgame guild for pretty much any temperament of player who's at least halfway decent at games, the variety of XIV statics seems to be much more limited, or at least the ones you can find advertisements posted for are.

This gives the impression that either most of the more down to earth types of statics don't advertise (vs the canonical "friendly welcoming guild" in WoW) or that in fact for some reason they mostly don't exist, and players not looking for the hardcore (yes, what most groups call "midcore" in XIV static ads is moon-level hardcore across MMOs as a whole) push-the-tier-hard-from-week-one mindset have few options but to join the PF throng.