Just tried Eureka for first time...

[midnitdragoon]

I was in a party with three others, we were all around level 7.... I was the tank... Holy crap this was fun! We were just chaining bombs like in final fantasy 11... And to some extent like in final fantasy xiv 1.0! And the danger omg... We wiped, but luckily a high level mage was there to rez us!

I tried Bozja in the past, but it felt nothing like this.

I really hope the devs experiment more with Eureka style content for 7.0 and beyond... To me all that was missing was making the skills and abilities a little slower, but more impactful.... And you'd have a more refined version of final fantasy xiv 1.0 and to some extent a more streamlined version of final fantasy 11.

I can confidently say the devs definitely tried to do something that would cater to the final fantasy 11 crowd.

[Absimiliard]

Eureka was quite popular in its day, though there are many on the forums who would attempt to convince people otherwise. It's a pity they opted for quests alone for the EW relic instead of another zone like it.

[Renalt]

I was in a party with three others, we were all around level 7.... I was the tank... Holy crap this was fun! We were just chaining bombs like in final fantasy 11... And to some extent like in final fantasy xiv 1.0! And the danger omg... We wiped, but luckily a high level mage was there to rez us!

I tried Bozja in the past, but it felt nothing like this.

I really hope the devs experiment more with Eureka style content for 7.0 and beyond... To me all that was missing was making the skills and abilities a little slower, but more impactful.... And you'd have a more refined version of final fantasy xiv 1.0 and to some extent a more streamlined version of final fantasy 11.

I can confidently say the devs definitely tried to do something that would cater to the final fantasy 11 crowd.

I agree. It was fun and a completely new experience. I wish they would do more with it honestly.

[Deveryn]

Eureka was quite popular in its day, though there are many on the forums who would attempt to convince people otherwise. It's a pity they opted for quests alone for the EW relic instead of another zone like it.

Manderville is more popular than they anticipated and they wanted it to be more worth the time to create, so here we are.

[Jeeqbit]

I love Eureka, but people complained everywhere and SE listened to the complaints. The result was Bozja. Bozja is good, but you can see how people with limited time to play convinced SE to have no respawn time for Skirmishes like NMs have in Eureka.

You can see how the bumpy terrain, which I loved, got nerfed into a flat area because people complained about having to navigate.

[Absimiliard]

Manderville is more popular than they anticipated and they wanted it to be more worth the time to create, so here we are.

They won't be worth the time to create until they SE stops staggering their item level so hard, regardless of what they are gated behind. The relics were well worth it in ARR and Heavensward since they would become BiS in a much more reasonable timeframe. What we have now is... I mean, why even bother? Whoopdie do, that weapon you wasted a bunch of time on is BiS for like a week. Putting them behind Manderville quests was just the icing on the cake.

I might've considered going all in on them anyway if we'd gotten another Eureka. Even Bozja was... well, Bozja was okay, at least. I might've gone for another Bozja-type deal too, albeit not with anywhere near the same interest as I might've had for something even remotely close to Eureka.

[Iscah]

...but you can see how people with limited time to play convinced SE to have no respawn time for Skirmishes like NMs have in Eureka.

Those aren't equivalent. Bozja's skirmishes are equivalent to fighting random monsters for EXP; CEs are the NM-equivalent.

That said, I think Bozja suffers from giving no EXP for fighting the individual monsters that trigger CEs, meaning they don't spawn if people are focused on levelling up through skirmishes.

[GTK0HLK]

as someone who's spent a lot on time in bozja recently..,
it's a pretty great experience, specially the communication, ans cooperation.
Of course there are a few things that need to change with the times. like some folks expectations on a specific NM.(the number of people waiting is increasing. since there is no rush, unless you happen to be in a locked zone. which is the only excuse with the lack of new, or long standing zones IF they happens to be a case. which is unlikely.)

dk how it is in other Datacenters, but here in crystal it has been a great time. and I hope it spreads to others.
Whilst I haven't spent much time in bozja and never did a DReginae even for the story yet.(despite leveling, and fate farming and WHM grinding Antitower synced) I gotten all of the weapons to Recollection at once. but roadblocked for now as I work on pyros, slowly for now.

But Bozja has its different kind of appeal. it may not be what people like, and SE has definitely dropped the ball on its support.
but it's a different mindset that works.
but it's not one people click onto once they arrive.

[as for the off-topic about Manderville relics..Relics.., it's perfectly fine to have them offshoot from Godbert desires. and it's perfectly fine to not have a Exploration zone every, single, time. Whilst there are many Problems in Eitherys. none have been beyond capable, or in constant need for the Alliances to handle. And for once. we have an actual relic, like the ARR Relics to recreate. for the history of the zodiac braves, or a hand to not only arm ourselves, but bring a rich man's history to fruition]

that said..,

for future Exploration zones..,
PLZ
add a npc that can increase our personal instance timer to max.
A marker that let's us know when a zone is locked. or still open.<for bozja it could be a simple no deployment zone/no reinforces, or Expedition Is Leaving for eureka as examples>
as well, as a separate npc one can speak to figure out, how old the instance exactly is.<even if trackers aren't run in a future zone>

but I also went off topic.
hope you have a great time in the future zones.
Take your time and enjoy the lands.<even pagos is nice, but only take as much as you can bear.>

[Deveryn]

They won't be worth the time to create until they SE stops staggering their item level so hard, regardless of what they are gated behind. The relics were well worth it in ARR and Heavensward since they would become BiS in a much more reasonable timeframe. What we have now is... I mean, why even bother? Whoopdie do, that weapon you wasted a bunch of time on is BiS for like a week. Putting them behind Manderville quests was just the icing on the cake.

I might've considered going all in on them anyway if we'd gotten another Eureka. Even Bozja was... well, Bozja was okay, at least. I might've gone for another Bozja-type deal too, albeit not with anywhere near the same interest as I might've had for something even remotely close to Eureka.

I'm talking about the work that goes into the Manderville scenes being worth the time.

[Jeeqbit]

Those aren't equivalent. Bozja's skirmishes are equivalent to fighting random monsters for EXP; CEs are the NM-equivalent.

NMs contain fights with the sort of mechanics of a Skirmish and others with the sort of mechanics of a CE. Some of the lower level ones were really simple at least.

A lot of Skirmishes in Zadnor are much more than just fighting random monsters because they have a routine of mechanics that is far beyond anything they had done with fates up through Shadowbringers, although we can observe they have brought some of these mechanics into EW fates with orbs and rotate mechanics.