Brian from Work 2 Game is leaving FFXIV

[aveyond-dreams]

As it stands, this forum in general has people that do nothing but complain and can't throw a bone at the developers when something good's done. The game is just on a downhill slide and people who have any modicum of hope are just stupid.
And it also has people that do nothing but dismiss valid complaints and acknowledge consecutive issues that need to be addressed for the game to remain healthy and shut down any conversation under the pretext of negativity.

I just wish there were more opportunities to praise FFXIV and throw a bone more often. If the 6.1 and 6.2 patch MSQ instead of being passed around relay style between different writers maintained the quality established by Hiroi in Pandaemonium, perhaps I could give it a grade beyond merely "passable," though that only applies to 6.2 after the numerous issues people have already gone at length to explain about 6.1. Various customization, content, and system issues could've been avoided from the beginning...instead things release either broken or incomplete and we're left to wait for fixes. "The Winning Number is 0" springs to mind, among others.

And you have people that absolutely ignore what people write and and keep insist on their interpretation even after people have explained what they really meant about a dozen times. Those people just love being contrarian and acting like utter idiots that cannot read just to spark drama.

Indeed. There is only so many times I care to explain my positions to people who insist as viewing me as just another hater when, having played this game since ARR, I want to see it do well and not falter the way it's been doing lately. The best thing is to simply agree to disagree and move on.

Imagine not raiding in 14.. What is there to stay subbed for? O_o Island Sanctuary lol?

Seemingly yes. Why one of its greatest and most prolific defenders appears to frequent this and other threads without fail. Some of the arguments in defense of Island Sanctuary made for interesting reads, that much is certain. If you look closely, you may even see a pattern between that and their other takes on this game's recent controversies.

[raelgun]

Dunno "endgame" is a really subjective thing tbh. for many player even crafting is their true endgame. There are more casual players out there who don't care about raiding than you think but JP players have a overwhelming higher number of clears than NA or EU.

The devs themselves call raiding end game, in fact whenever they are doing the patches to release the new savage raids, they make a big deal out of compared to literally anything else.

Its the playerbase in this game that seem to be indenial when you include all global zones, just how much bigger % raiding actually is because they no longer can use the argument, 'so few people raid!!!!'.

No what people should be saying, the West clear rate is atrocious.

[Kazhar]

Even when you look at NA-EU, the percentages are around 5-15% depending on Data Center (With Crystal as an outlier being like 1-5%).

And that's the mount ownership only. Not all raiders go all the way to the 4th fight when it's relevant. And each clear only gives one mount to one of the 8 player who participated.
There's no possible way one can twist those numbers and claim that the raiding playerbase is "tiny", JP or West.

[DiaDeem]

Gave the video a watch, even though I have no idea who this person was.

His first reason (family) is more than enough, I won't even go into that one.
Second reason (career) same thing, not going into that one either.
Third reason being New World, I have no idea. I haven't tried it and from watching Asmon play the game it just doesn't seem that interesting, but I actually relate to his point 100% in that I only have the time to commit to a single MMO, and if he wants that game to be New World, then cool.

What I don't understand is what he means by "taking risks" and we can all say what that could mean to us, but if the thread and video are about him then I would have wanted to know what "risks" meant to him (not forum members) because as is, I'm just like... "Whatever that means I guess". Same goes to when he says "it could be better". And yeah, sure but what does that even mean to him? But then he says that's not even the reason why he's leaving so... ok?

Either way, I don't know who this guy is, I've never watched him before and I'm not starting now, so this is rather irrelevant to me. I guess I just wanted to give the video a fair chance, and after doing that I find that I really don't care. Good luck to him I guess.

[Ranaku]

Imagine not raiding in 14.. What is there to stay subbed for? O_o Island Sanctuary lol?

Treasure maps, crafting, housing, roleplay, gposing, group activities, hunt trains, side content like eureka or bozja or relics in general, fc stuff yes some people actually have fun fcs, socializing with friends or random people, glamour, tribes, dungeons, deep dungeons, achievement hunting, pvp, farming mounts or pets, gold saucer, seasonal events, crossover events, leveling an alt or different jobs.

But yeah crazy to think that you can make your own fun in an MMO...what are these friends and...social interactions...disgusting!

Like nothing against people who want to treat the game like it is a single player wasteland that is only worth it cause of raiding but well i weep for your non existing imagination if that is all you see.

[MagiusNecros]

Raids ARE the endgame at the end of the day. Since the devs want to be WoW and follow that metric. And stuff like Criterion is going to be similar to WoW's mythic+.

Criterion reception would be more positive if the rewards for criterion were good since having a ilvl of 635 is recommended over 610.

Variant dungeon has the better rewards and can be done solo and is more enjoyable due to the Variant action choice per role based around solo or parties.

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I think FFXIV takes risks but some of the content is flavor of the xpac(Diadem/Bozja/Sanctuary) while most of the game takes no risks and sticks to a dated formula from 2.0 that peaked in 3.0.

I think the big risks this xpac they've taken is butchering the combat by oversimplifying and forcing everyone to conform or die to RNG Crit and the 2 minute meta and the PvP combat changes.

Combat in PvE is walking on 3 legs and PvP is a success.

A more current issue is the lack of healers and to a degree Tanks.

Healers aren't doing the content either because they don't want to do it or people aren't playing Healer because of how they are designed with 20 heals and one DPS button.

Tank shortage I assume is that those that did the content already moved on and now where you had Tanks you now have none or not enough.

Then you have yet another issue with the discrepancy between Melee and Ranged/Caster.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Yeah, and both are worthy of criticism.

So when you say



Aword, you're literally doing the exact opposite of what you want. You're saying the opposite of what you want. You should have said to stop being toxic overall, allow people to complain as much as you allow them to praise rather than "where's the other extreme when you need it?". If you state that you disagree or prove them wrong when it starts getting into the realm of facts rather than subjective opinion, and they refuse to listen, just drop it. Because at that point you're talking to a wall.

As it stands, this forum in general has people that do nothing but complain and can't throw a bone at the developers when something good's done. The game is just on a downhill slide and people who have any modicum of hope are just stupid.
And it also has people that do nothing but dismiss valid complaints and acknowledge consecutive issues that need to be addressed for the game to remain healthy and shut down any conversation under the pretext of negativity.

Yeah, there are a lot of threads that do nothing but complain over minor things. You also have threads where people provide the absolute most hairbrained ideas without thinking of collateral effects. As well as how you have people that do nothing but complain about people complaining in the most condescending, insulting way possible. And you have people that absolutely ignore what people write and and keep insist on their interpretation even after people have explained what they really meant about a dozen times. Those people just love being contrarian and acting like utter idiots that cannot read just to spark drama.
Neither side has a "when you need it". It just derails the topics into "He said She said". And it's goddamn tiring.

So no. Both sides are problematic, and we shouldn't want to have "a counter to X". Because guess what, Toxic Negativity is, in turn, a counter to Toxic Positivity. Neither side wins, everyone just gets tired.

Again, you keep pretending that ANYONE disagreeing with ANYONE here is under the presumption that the game is "perfectly fine". Its ok to disagree with people's takes and give their own perspective about whats considered good and bad. Its ok to have a discussion. Stop acting that people are trying to shutdown discussions and own up to your opinions. Its extremely stupid to believe these magical white knights preventing from discussions taking place, when the forums isnt reddit where the website's shitty practices actually shuts down posts due to excessive downvotes.

[Midareyukki]

I just wish there were more opportunities to praise FFXIV and throw a bone more often.

There are. Some stuff will be subjective, but frankly that's everything about the game...

Older content that I personally praise? Y'know, other than "ARR Saviour"?
- Bozja's gameplay, duels and . Even if they need tweaks, they were a clear step-up from Eureka for me.
- Delubrum Reginae and the two in-instance duties (Castrum Lacus Litore and Dalriada). The precursors to the Variant Dungeons. I WANT MORE OF THIS.
- POTD and HoH, which are fun with friends when attempting deep dives
- SHB's story was interesting in how inspired by philosophy it was and how they utilized each area and each character to explore aspects of a philosophical theory. Endwalker tried to do it, but felt forceful. SHB did a better job in that aspect.
- They somehow make Beast Tribes and NPCs feel actually interesting rather than riddle them with caveman speech. Of course, it doesn't always work out (Loporrits...) but when it does, they're so endearing. Props to the Arkasodara, Nidhana is just pure joy. The Lupin general in SHB was interesting, I'd like to see a bit more from them if possible than just the Namazu.
- The Ivalice Raids at the time were super enjoyable because of how challenging they were to figure out. Cid's fight is still my favourite after all this time.
- Sage and Reaper are really outside the box and I dig it. Astro and Gunbreaker are my absolute faves in terms of design and flavour.
- The Pandaemonium story is excellent and you can really tell that even if we ourselves have our suspicions of Lahabrea, we're trying to mediate between a very awkward and real strain in a father-son relationship. We don't need to be superpowered overbeings to grasp that a distant father and resentful son are a lamentable thing.
And so much more. Even if there are stuff that I look at and say it's not the best implementation of, I can still fully enjoy myself. PVP, for example. Do I think it used to be better? God yes. Is it something I do for fun? Sometimes yeah. Otherwise I wouldn't be playing the race I play
idk, the game does provide me with some whimsy and comfort that I just find hard not to enjoy. Rarely ever do they ruin it for me. At worst, they ruined Hrothgar, and that was a mix of poor decisions and bad writing, but I still play it because I just can't click as well with other races. Highlander Hyur, Roe and even recently Female Viera come very close, but can't take the throne.

Now, I can't speak for your experience in these forums, but my source of frustration come with people who just simply can't stop and acknowledge that they got something wrong. I myself have flaws and certainly HAVE made a complete and utter fool of myself here. But I at least admit to them. I just have zero patience for talking to walls, and if people insist that I'm too negative or am just trolling, I just stop giving a darn.

"The Winning Number is 0" springs to mind, among others.

Yeah. The game, especially very recently, has been doing stuff that it shouldn't. Either due to oversight, poor design, bad influences/choices or just pressure. Acknowledging these shouldn't come at the cost of the devs' mindset, but it should at least tell them that this isn't what we want.
No one asked for a glitchy, messy housing launch. Not even they themselves. But they were the ones who implemented it, so something went wrong. Why did it go wrong? They should at least understand that quality assurance matters, as it always has the past years.
Hrothgars had awkward hairs and chopped off ears, Healers asked for more, and their responses to both were dismissive. It showed a disconnect between them and the players that, if they want people to stick around, they should try to bridge.

So yeah. Sorry Aveyond, I still don't have as "bad" a view of the game and the dev team as you and others do. But I don't stand here completely ignoring how poor a taste the past few months have left on my experience as a consumer and player either. I enjoy this game as much as everyone else, and I just find it such a shame that stuff's happening without being addressed.

[Midareyukki]

Again, you keep pretending that ANYONE disagreeing with ANYONE here is under the presumption that the game is "perfectly fine". Its ok to disagree with people's takes and give their own perspective about whats considered good and bad. Its ok to have a discussion. Stop acting that people are trying to shutdown discussions and own up to your opinions. Its extremely stupid to believe these magical white knights preventing from discussions taking place, when the forums isnt reddit where the website's shitty practices actually shuts down posts due to excessive downvotes.

I don't? Where have I said that? I'm not even saying that that's THE ONLY THING that's said here.

I'm saying that I simply pointed one thing out, that the game recently had a bunch of issues, and that the reaction I got to it was that they thought I was saying the game outright sucked. Which isn't true. That isn't what happened, at all. And I've had to clarify it a bunch of times.

Please state exactly where it is that I say "ANYONE" disagreeing is under the presumption the game is fine.
That white knights are trying to shut down any and all discussion.

I don't mind there being a discussion whatsoever, Atelier. Yet you're saying I'm acting this way, when I'm really not. And I'd love it if you could provide examples, because clearly I'm NOT doing a good job at showing that that's not what I think.

You know, before you accuse me of playing the victim card when in reality I think people just aren't getting what I'm saying and calling me really insulting shit just over one post.

I do think it's stupid that White Knights prevent any and all discussion. I'm saying, however, that that often does happen, and it's not just White Knights, it's people who never shut up about the games' flaws and can't look past anything negative.

Edit: If you want me to clarify, there's no win to either side. That's what I said. There ARE people who are just so blind that they cannot admit that there's been stuff that needs to be addressed, and the only ones who can do that are the dev team. But there are people who say that "the game's failing, the game's going downhill, there's no salvation, they need to fire the devs" when really they should just provide the devs with feedback and make it known that there needs to be a change.

Must I repeat this a thousand times?

[aveyond-dreams]

A pinned comment from his video. Like I asked in my other thread, how is this ok?



Why is this community giving a comment like this upvotes? Could it be some of the toxic positivity some are so eager to sweep under the rug?