Brian from Work 2 Game is leaving FFXIV

[Kaurhz]

Can someone explain what toxic positivity means?
Or rather, use an example of what toxic positivity looks like in-game?

Because my only experience has either been genuinely nice people, the opposite (mean-spirited, malicious), or the occasional "you don't pay my sub" types.

I've never met anyone that is so.... positive (??) that it made me feel bad in any way shape or form!

It's not really toxic positivity, really. Some people just like to inappropriately conflate words. I wouldn't really call it toxic positivity as much as I would just call it false positivity. Most people I've come across just simply disagree with some outlooks, and then people like to feign toxic positivism. It's almost comedic as it is ludicrous, honestly.

The term is practically meaningless courtesy of a few.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

Can someone explain what toxic positivity means?
Or rather, use an example of what toxic positivity looks like in-game?

Because my only experience has either been genuinely nice people, the opposite (mean-spirited, malicious), or the occasional "you don't pay my sub" types.

I've never met anyone that is so.... positive (??) that it made me feel bad in any way shape or form!

Toxic Positivity is when you you feel so good about something but refuse to see the flaws in something and refuse it and when people try to point it out you crush them on the idea that nothing is wrong when there is

[Avoidy]

Can someone explain what toxic positivity means?
Or rather, use an example of what toxic positivity looks like in-game?

Let's say you're in a raid, right? Maybe you're trying to get your weeklies or whatever. Hell, it can even be a dungeon. I've seen this happen multiple times across every kind of content you could think of.
So there you are, and you're DPSing, and maybe the tank just doesn't turn on his tank stance. If it's a dungeon, maybe he's pulled a pack of trash without his stance. If it's a raid, maybe the MT died and now he (OT) doesn't have his stance on. Either way, the aggro is on you and you're a DPS, so this isn't an ideal situation. And you tell him to turn it on, because now you're tanking as a dps. But he ignores you and just does his own thing. Aaand now you're dead. And now the other DPS is dead too. And now the healers are dying. And you wipe. You zone back in at the start, and nobody says anything because everyone's afraid to be critical due to the ToS. The guy who died second is like "let's just try again! )" and the problem isn't actually addressed. And maybe -- maybe it happens again, the whole damn thing, point for point, and now someone finally says "dude, OT, turn on your stance so we don't keep wiping" or "MT, stop dying to [mechanic]" and now someone else chimes in with "calm down bro it's just a game dw bro just have fun " and straight up enables bad play that's wasting everyone's time.

Or maybe you get one of those healers who just spams Cure1 and nothing else, and maybe it's actually a detriment because you're in some level 90 content where better play is expected. Maybe it affects your ability to enjoy the content, so you say something like "hey have you considered using other tools in your kit besides the option you get at level 2?" and their friend who queued in with them is like "just let them enjoy the game! " even though their method of enjoyment is ruining the game for everyone else who has to put up with it.

Or maybe you queue alliance raid roulette and you get into crystal tower, again, and you look over and see a guy who's naked and rapidly putting on his gear. Someone else sees this too, and when the duty loads and there're no new players, he exclaims sarcastically, "thanks for queuing naked and getting us the same crystal tower raid for the 30th day in a row" and another guy chimes in with "it's ok ) just a game dont be so upset "

Basically any time you have a valid complaint, there's always some smiling enabler there to defend bad shit that negatively impacts everyone else. These people are positive, but it's a positive force used to encourage toxic behavior that pushes people out of the game when it happens often enough. Because eventually you get sick of Cure1 bots. Eventually you get sick of shitty tanks. Eventually you get tired of syrcus tower every day. And then you quit.

[Tiramu]

Let's say you're in a raid, right? Maybe you're trying to get your weeklies or whatever. Hell, it can even be a dungeon. I've seen this happen multiple times across every kind of content you could think of.
So there you are, and you're DPSing, and maybe the tank just doesn't turn on his tank stance. If it's a dungeon, maybe he's pulled a pack of trash without his stance. If it's a raid, maybe the MT died and now he (OT) doesn't have his stance on. Either way, the aggro is on you and you're a DPS, so this isn't an ideal situation. And you tell him to turn it on, because now you're tanking as a dps. But he ignores you and just does his own thing. Aaand now you're dead. And now the other DPS is dead too. And now the healers are dying. And you wipe. You zone back in at the start, and nobody says anything because everyone's afraid to be critical due to the ToS. The guy who died second is like "let's just try again! )" and the problem isn't actually addressed. And maybe -- maybe it happens again, the whole damn thing, point for point, and now someone finally says "dude, OT, turn on your stance so we don't keep wiping" or "MT, stop dying to [mechanic]" and now someone else chimes in with "calm down bro it's just a game dw bro just have fun " and straight up enables bad play that's wasting everyone's time.

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Or . Eventually you get tired of syrcus tower every day. And then you quit.

Thats not toxic positivity, thats more the "toxic casual" thing, which tbh is fairly rare outside of MSQ DF's. The only times I've seen people jump to the defense of incompetant players who arent listening is when the complainer goes too far or has pretty bad social skills. Not that it seems to happen often anyway.

In practice, most coming to defence I've seen is when someone who has a shitty attitude lashes out at someone who just wasnt perfect.

[Kozh]

Can someone explain what toxic positivity means?
Or rather, use an example of what toxic positivity looks like in-game?

If you want example of toxic positivity, just look at deveryn's posts history (or Velkalor to some extent)

[Deveryn]

If you want example of toxic positivity, just look at deveryn's post (or Velkalor to some extent)

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I don't feel anything towards you and your plight and if you leave, you won't be missed. That's just straight salt and truth.

[Kozh]

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Deveryn, you have been called out by many people here on forum. And a lot of them aren't even "the usual guys a.k.a Aveyond and his cronies", as y'all like to put.
So yeah, I think I know what I'm talking about.

[Deveryn]

Deveryn, you have been called out by many people here on forum. And a lot of them aren't even "the usual guys a.k.a Aveyond and his cronies", as y'all like to put.
So yeah, I think I know what I'm talking about.

You can't even quote whichever post you're talking about to show how wrong you are, so no. Toxic Positivity has been spelled out and you still don't understand it. Whatever I've said here does not line up. Leave me out of your miserable state. If you're sick of the game, leave. I've been called things, but never called out. People can't have a proper discussion so they resort to BS like this interaction of yours. Bye, Felicia

[Shurrikhan]

See thats the funny thing, people want these "Risks" and for the game to do new refreshing things.
But then they get exactly what they asked for, and they dont like it, saying it should be like everything else.

Except the manner of those risks desired were already frequently specified. Why should they be not offended when they give examples of what they feel works and what doesn't, make suggestions about lucrative future content paths --if only the devs were willing to risk stepping outside their self-proscribed box-- in such a way as to build on past successes and avoid past failings, and then the devs instead create something "new" that builds primarily on those same past failings they asked to see avoided?

If one were to ask for midcore, light party content with granularly rising challengeable difficulty, offering an alternate progression path to Savage and decent longevity through reiteration... there are very clearly not asking for a form of no-rewards side-content, of a single difficulty, tuned for those who already have Savage gear.

Can someone explain what toxic positivity means?

In terms of social behavior, it's almost identical to toxic negativity. They're both just a matter of toxifying the discussion -- actively muddling terms, polarizing issues, and purposely misconstruing opposed positions, etc., to the detriment of any effective communication.

Toxic negativity simply targets for gaslighting, dismissal, harassment, etc., any viewpoint that seems to take on a more positive appraisal of the thing in question relative to the average participant or to the particular participant responding to it, while toxic positivity targets for gaslighting, dismissal, harassment, etc., any viewpoint that seems to take on a more negative appraisal of the thing in question relative to the average participant or to the particular participant responding to it.

[VelKallor]

I found a definition that is just this side of utterly idiotic.

Toxic positivity is the belief that no matter how dire or difficult a situation is, people should maintain a positive mindset. While there are benefits to being optimistic and engaging in positive thinking, toxic positivity rejects all difficult emotions in favor of a cheerful and often falsely-positive façade.

Note how this sentence contradicts itself.

BTW that first sentence is even more stupid when in a survival situation, keeping a positive mindset tends to keep you alive. Those who throw up their hands and say "I give up this is hopeless" are usually found dead.

Its a buzzphrase that has been thrown around here so often it isnt funny, even the ones who use it cant define it.