What was they thinking when they did variant dungeons and criterion

[vanaii]

here we go on the defending of yoshi. new content? this game after how 10 or so years 9 years or run cant figure out what rewards to give? they don't know hat people care for and hat not? take first deep dungeon vs the second. first give WAY more glams and people cared more to run it.It's not an easy problem to fix? yes it is, add crafting mats that are relevant to the best craft you can make now.

Yeah, I'll keep defending Yoshi. The man's run a solid ship for a decade, done the impossible, and stands a good chance of doing the impossible again. Even if he's made a misstep here and there, that doesn't negate what he's done right.

[aveyond-dreams]

Yeah, I'll keep defending Yoshi. The man's run a solid ship for a decade, done the impossible, and stands a good chance of doing the impossible again. Even if he's made a misstep here and there, that doesn't negate what he's done right.

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

[vanaii]

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

Players are going to be upset no matter what he does, and the worst thing he can possibly do is allow forum riots to dictate changes -- especially when the content you've listed as "missteps" are not missteps. Allowing the riot to dictate design is exactly how you end up with a fear-adverse design by committee.

I don't particularly care if you like or don't like anything he's tried; I'm just thrilled he's willing to try new things rather than stick with the same predictable stuff everyone eise is doing. Maybe that doesn't work for you -- and it really doesn't matter if it does -- but I'm not going to ignore what the man did because it's suddenly cool to smear him.

I'm looking forward to what comes next, even though circumstances around Endwalker made me sick. I don't know what else to say.

[Midareyukki]

Yeah, I'll keep defending Yoshi. The man's run a solid ship for a decade, done the impossible, and stands a good chance of doing the impossible again. Even if he's made a misstep here and there, that doesn't negate what he's done right.

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

People really need to get over the ARR saviour complex they have going for him. Yoshida didn't ask for it, and he rejected the image and expectations it brought upon him. Those years are gone. If people are going to tell others that they cannot use what Yoshida said years ago in LLs and interviews versus what he ended up doing because "oh, the circumstances and mindset's changed", then they need to stop recycling the ARR Saviour excuse.

Endwalker single-handedly spent the good faith they've established since. Yes, they're human and that means they can make mistakes; every expansion they've made mistakes, but they weren't anything major. And yes, what goes on with the game doesn't only rely on them. But unlike awkward decisions and designs, Endwalker has been consistently divisive. Consistently.
- The release of 6.0 was delayed on such a short notice
- The connectivity issues both in and past Early Access, especially with them blaming it on us rather than admitting they're the ones ill-prepared for the surge of players they got in late SHB
- A plot that satisfied half the fanbase and confounded the other half
- Underwhelming and exploitative PvP
- Hrothgar hairstyles and ears
- Housing being released in the most spectacular failure possible
- Black Mage being buffed in PvP and requiring a dev post just to excuse it, when there's other stuff in the game at the time that garnered their attention and explanation
- New Fat Cat onesie glitched for the race the producer himself plays the most
- Barebones and underwhelming content, from Island Sanctuary to the new Variant and Criterion dungeons
- Growing disconnect between devs and playerbase (from "It's too hard" to do things when it really wasn't to "if you want to heal, play Ultimate")
And many other more minor complaints, especially with the amount of notable glitches that other patches didn't have.

Whether you agree with the intensity of these or not, whether you feel their goodfaith has been lost to you over them or not, that's up to you. But to many people, yes, their goodwill was shot in the knees. And now fans are demanding a bit of effort and responsability from their dev team, and not allow them to be so laissez-faire about a decade-old game that doesn't seek to innovate where it matters.

Just because they did amazing things in the past, it doesn't mean that they're still doing amazing things in the present. Credit where credit is due, but credit doesn't and shouldn't render you blind. He's not a fairy tale hero, nor does he want to be seen as one for any other purpose than marketing. He's a person who did good things but is now slipping up and letting others' slip ups get past. And that needs to be brought to their attention.

[Striker44]

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EW knocked it out of the park for the large majority of the playerbase. What's represented here on the forums is the most minuscule minority of the community, and one always prone to complaining about anything. Take a trip around YouTube, or even Reddit (of all places), and for every one person you find here, you'll find dozens of unique people (not the same few posting over and over again) praising EW and celebrating the current state of FFXIV.

Again, EW may have somehow "spent" whatever faith you have for whatever reason, but far and away the general reaction is the complete opposite. The only thing EW has been consistently is praised by most people. Seriously, get out of the pathetic echo chamber of negativity that is this forum and poke around practically any other place on the internet related to FFXIV, and you'll see how overwhelmingly this place does not reflect the general reality.

[Midareyukki]

EW knocked it out of the park for the large majority of the playerbase. What's represented here on the forums is the most minuscule minority of the community, and one always prone to complaining about anything. Take a trip around YouTube, or even Reddit (of all places), and for every one person you find here, you'll find dozens of unique people (not the same few posting over and over again) praising EW and celebrating the current state of FFXIV.

Again, EW may have somehow "spent" whatever faith you have for whatever reason, but far and away the general reaction is the complete opposite. The only thing EW has been consistently is praised by most people. Seriously, get out of the pathetic echo chamber of negativity that is this forum and poke around practically any other place on the internet related to FFXIV, and you'll see how overwhelmingly this place does not reflect the general reality.

Has it? As far as I can remember, people weren't this critical about Shadowbringers when it came out.

And as I keep telling you and everyone else, the forums are the only place that technically matters. Twitter? The devs aren't gonna look into that. Reddit? The devs already said they won't look in there, and there are actions against people who criticise the game there. Not to mention how rabid people are the moment you post ANY criticism, even if you do love the game to bits. And given that the devs have said that the forums are the only place they'd sift through for feedback, yes: you'll find more criticisms here than anywhere else.

I'm not under any delusion that we're a majority, but here is where opinions like those will be expressed the most. Not other platforms.

It HASN'T been consistently praised by most people. Define "most people" in terms of those that actually matter. Streamers? People who comment on the game? Where do they comment, in places that matter?

And call me pathetic for pointing out the flaws, I dare you. I at least am not the one ignoring the constant mistakes that they've put out. Mistakes that people, even those outside of these forums, HAVE criticised. Stop being so blind in your daft faith to defend the devs for once and understand what it is you're saying.

Endwalker was praised because there are stuff there TO praise, that's never been put into question. But this expansion, more than any other, has also provided really glaring flaws that HAVE been called out, even outside this "echo chamber", dude!

I'm sorry it's inconvenient to remember the man didn't single-handedly save the game (and likely Square) but them's the ropes. That doesn't get forgotten because you want it to be forgotten. It doesn't get forgotten even if he says he wants it to be forgotten. I have faith he can do it again if it becomes necessary.

??

Where on earth have I said this?

I never said "lol forget", I said "don't ignore what's happening right now just because he did something right in the past".

What, just because I saved someone in the past, that gives me a pass to kill someone now? That's such a freaking joke, I can still point and say "hey, you're not doing things well anymore". And when it happens again and again, and people yell over us that we can't tell him that bc he's our lord and saviour, what do you think is going to happen?

I'm only pointing out the issues that YOU TWO are ignoring.

Otherwise I wouldn't be playing this game. I wouldn't be here if I didn't care for it.

So will you two get off your high horse and read?

[vanaii]

And as I keep telling you and everyone else, the forums are the only place that technically matters.

When I'm convinced the forums couldn't possibly be more myopic

[AwesomeJr44]

And as I keep telling you and everyone else, the forums are the only place that technically matters. Twitter? The devs aren't gonna look into that. Reddit? The devs already said they won't look in there, and there are actions against people who criticise the game there. Not to mention how rabid people are the moment you post ANY criticism, even if you do love the game to bits. And given that the devs have said that the forums are the only place they'd sift through for feedback, yes: you'll find more criticisms here than anywhere else.

^ This. People keep acting like this is a social media website like Twitter or Reddit where we need to be ultra positive all of the time. The purpose of the forums is not the same as the purpose of Reddit or Twitter.

I'm not under any delusion that we're a majority, but here is where opinions like those will be expressed the most. Not other platforms.

You're not the majoritah, that's Striker.

It HASN'T been consistently praised by most people. Define "most people" in terms of those that actually matter.

It's been praised by Striker, and he is the majoritah, thus he is 'most people'.

nd call me pathetic for pointing out the flaws, I dare you. I at least am not the one ignoring the constant mistakes that they've put out. Mistakes that people, even those outside of these forums, HAVE criticised. Stop being so blind in your daft faith to defend the devs for once and understand what it is you're saying.

The most powerful asset of the developers is the fanbase. This fanbase is so fanatical that they worship the developers like gods who can do no wrong. The devs never have to worry about making a mistake as they know that if they do, any criticism will be drowned out by their white knight zealots screaming thanks even when they're fed literal crap.

So will you two get off your high horse and read?

These sorts of people never bother actually reading what you type, asking them to isn't going to get them too.

Because at no point did I say "the devs are idiots, all they do is trash now". I'm saying that Endwalker has been having a lot of glaring issues in its content, far more than any other expansion. It doesn't mean the content itself sucks (some might, not all of it), and what I said was that some of it was polarizing. Meaning I don't have to agree with the dissenters to know that there are people that actually hated stuff like, for example, Endwalker's plot.

Yet you two are clearly unable to read.

You two are saying crap like how I'm disgregarding all the good stuff he's done. When in reality you two just haven't realized that all I did was put up a list of stuff that's been piling up in the past few months that have led to consistent complaining. Stuff that you guys clearly choose to ignore and dismiss.

You want to white knight? Go ahead. I'm out of this conversation, there's zero point in talking to you if that's the avenue you choose to pursue.

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if some of the forum's white knights were paid by Square Enix to do what they do. Sometimes what they say/do is just beyond logic and understanding. Just don't bother with them.

[Kes13a]

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if some of the forum's white knights were paid by Square Enix to do what they do. Sometimes what they say/do is just beyond logic and understanding. Just don't bother with them.

here we go, how about this then..

I wouldnt be surprised if the people "hating" on everything because "they care more than anyone else" are paid by Blizzard to try and submarine their competition. Sometimes what they say makes me wonder if they play the same game.

I figure that statement is about as true as yours. if you complain because "you care" they defend because "they care"

I doubt ANY of this is a competition to figure out who cares more. no matter what side of the coin you are looking at, if you are still subscribing to the game... you are endorsing the product. period. if the game isnt ringing your bell, if it is going in the wrong direction, whatever is making you upset, if you are paying... they...wont.. stop. no, I am not telling you to leave, what I am saying is if you dont like something, stop paying for it. I stopped liking Wow's direction and finally watched someone that made perfect sense "they stopped earning my money". I realized that was very true and unsubbed. so, if FFxiv has stopped earning YOUR money, the best thing you can do for YOURSELF.. is stop giving it to them. you will feel much better than your constant anger about something you cannot change.

[Cach]

Endwalker has been consistently divisive. Consistently.

True. Criterion rewards, class balance every new raid tier (healing, phys ranged), gearing, housing, etc. They are at least acknowledged by the playerbase on several platforms. You wouldn't be wrong to call this expansion at least a bit "controversial".

Why does every single piece of content have to be long lived?

Wasn't the "no content left behind" philosophy one of the points of pride of this game? Specially standing up against wow?. Why wouldn't people want to have longer lived content?

I will keep saying this, but this game relies heavily on hooking people with the constant drip of perishable goods, and lately they have been more perishable than ever. You really feel that extra time added to the patch cycle.
Maybe you believe that the quick consoom model is your speed. That's fine. I happen to think that is, uh... unwise and it could be improved upon.

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if some of the forum's white knights were paid by Square Enix to do what they do

Naaah, most of the time it's just a messed up sense of loyalty, ready to turn on a dime at Yoshi's / SE word.