What was they thinking when they did variant dungeons and criterion

[SylvAlternate]

and so far it FAILED hard core. what % even care to run harder content in this game when all you get is a mount.

I mean, I would be much more interested in trying out ultimates if I got a cool mount from it rather than a weapon which doesn't work with any glam whatsoever

[Aword3213]

maybe you should apply for a job there.

Many did. They thought their unique suggestions and opinions could fix the game. They implemented them and players still complain.

Then they found out they had become one of those develpers players feel disconnected to.

[vanaii]

here we go on the defending of yoshi. new content? this game after how 10 or so years 9 years or run cant figure out what rewards to give? they don't know hat people care for and hat not? take first deep dungeon vs the second. first give WAY more glams and people cared more to run it.It's not an easy problem to fix? yes it is, add crafting mats that are relevant to the best craft you can make now.

Yeah, I'll keep defending Yoshi. The man's run a solid ship for a decade, done the impossible, and stands a good chance of doing the impossible again. Even if he's made a misstep here and there, that doesn't negate what he's done right.

[aveyond-dreams]

Yeah, I'll keep defending Yoshi. The man's run a solid ship for a decade, done the impossible, and stands a good chance of doing the impossible again. Even if he's made a misstep here and there, that doesn't negate what he's done right.

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

[vanaii]

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

Players are going to be upset no matter what he does, and the worst thing he can possibly do is allow forum riots to dictate changes -- especially when the content you've listed as "missteps" are not missteps. Allowing the riot to dictate design is exactly how you end up with a fear-adverse design by committee.

I don't particularly care if you like or don't like anything he's tried; I'm just thrilled he's willing to try new things rather than stick with the same predictable stuff everyone eise is doing. Maybe that doesn't work for you -- and it really doesn't matter if it does -- but I'm not going to ignore what the man did because it's suddenly cool to smear him.

I'm looking forward to what comes next, even though circumstances around Endwalker made me sick. I don't know what else to say.

[Midareyukki]

Yeah, I'll keep defending Yoshi. The man's run a solid ship for a decade, done the impossible, and stands a good chance of doing the impossible again. Even if he's made a misstep here and there, that doesn't negate what he's done right.

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

People really need to get over the ARR saviour complex they have going for him. Yoshida didn't ask for it, and he rejected the image and expectations it brought upon him. Those years are gone. If people are going to tell others that they cannot use what Yoshida said years ago in LLs and interviews versus what he ended up doing because "oh, the circumstances and mindset's changed", then they need to stop recycling the ARR Saviour excuse.

Endwalker single-handedly spent the good faith they've established since. Yes, they're human and that means they can make mistakes; every expansion they've made mistakes, but they weren't anything major. And yes, what goes on with the game doesn't only rely on them. But unlike awkward decisions and designs, Endwalker has been consistently divisive. Consistently.
- The release of 6.0 was delayed on such a short notice
- The connectivity issues both in and past Early Access, especially with them blaming it on us rather than admitting they're the ones ill-prepared for the surge of players they got in late SHB
- A plot that satisfied half the fanbase and confounded the other half
- Underwhelming and exploitative PvP
- Hrothgar hairstyles and ears
- Housing being released in the most spectacular failure possible
- Black Mage being buffed in PvP and requiring a dev post just to excuse it, when there's other stuff in the game at the time that garnered their attention and explanation
- New Fat Cat onesie glitched for the race the producer himself plays the most
- Barebones and underwhelming content, from Island Sanctuary to the new Variant and Criterion dungeons
- Growing disconnect between devs and playerbase (from "It's too hard" to do things when it really wasn't to "if you want to heal, play Ultimate")
And many other more minor complaints, especially with the amount of notable glitches that other patches didn't have.

Whether you agree with the intensity of these or not, whether you feel their goodfaith has been lost to you over them or not, that's up to you. But to many people, yes, their goodwill was shot in the knees. And now fans are demanding a bit of effort and responsability from their dev team, and not allow them to be so laissez-faire about a decade-old game that doesn't seek to innovate where it matters.

Just because they did amazing things in the past, it doesn't mean that they're still doing amazing things in the present. Credit where credit is due, but credit doesn't and shouldn't render you blind. He's not a fairy tale hero, nor does he want to be seen as one for any other purpose than marketing. He's a person who did good things but is now slipping up and letting others' slip ups get past. And that needs to be brought to their attention.

[Striker44]

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EW knocked it out of the park for the large majority of the playerbase. What's represented here on the forums is the most minuscule minority of the community, and one always prone to complaining about anything. Take a trip around YouTube, or even Reddit (of all places), and for every one person you find here, you'll find dozens of unique people (not the same few posting over and over again) praising EW and celebrating the current state of FFXIV.

Again, EW may have somehow "spent" whatever faith you have for whatever reason, but far and away the general reaction is the complete opposite. The only thing EW has been consistently is praised by most people. Seriously, get out of the pathetic echo chamber of negativity that is this forum and poke around practically any other place on the internet related to FFXIV, and you'll see how overwhelmingly this place does not reflect the general reality.

[Alleo]

We should get another deep dungeon in this expansion so there would be another content which can be run for a long time depending on what you want from it.
The question is though: Why does every single piece of content have to be long lived? Wouldnt that just mean that you bascially have to live in this game to even get near the finishing line for one?

I am nearly done with the variant. I may run it once or twice again because I still dont have enough for the glam reward but other than that I probably wont get there again. And thats fine. I had much more fun in this than a lot of other content they produced in the last expansions. The feeling of happiness when I was able to solve a puzzle on my own (only looked up the notes 4 and 5), the lore we got there, the cute interaction with Nanamo. All that was worth more for me than another endless grind like Bozja. I hated it there in the end because the notes for the mount were purely RNG. In Variant you can them 100% if you do the thing right.

Would you really have fun with this content if you run the exact same paths again and again and again just to grind some rewards that will bascially be ignored a few weeks after obtaining them? I would not. I liked this one because it was something new, something interesting with only a minor grind. And if I want to do it again, maybe help out a friend, I can do it without the feeling of being annoyed by it.

Also interesting how you want more rewards but you bascially dont like those that are in it right now. For you mounts are not cool, for others they might be the sole reason to run it. (Also you can sell the mount which means that grinding for more than one can give you a nice sum of gil) What if they introduce more rewards but none of those matter to you?

- A plot that satisfied half the fanbase and confounded the other half
- Underwhelming and exploitative PvP
- Barebones and underwhelming content, from Island Sanctuary to the new Variant and Criterion dungeons

Whether you agree with the intensity of these or not, whether you feel their goodfaith has been lost to you over them or not, that's up to you. But to many people, yes, their goodwill was shot in the knees. And now fans are demanding a bit of effort and responsability from their dev team, and not allow them to be so laissez-faire about a decade-old game that doesn't seek to innovate where it matters.

And its fine to feel unhappy about the game. I was in that state in Stormblood and even more in Shadowbringers. Endwalker was the point where I knew that if I dont like it, it will be the last expansion that I would play. (And it would fit perfectly with them ending that huge big story line so I would at least get a ending) Before that though I took some consequences. I stopped buying anything from the cash shop or their merch store (and I asked friends to stop gifting me stuff there too) and I took month long breaks between each playtime. (Would have been longer without the house timer)

I understood that giving feedback (and I gave harsh feedback here over the years) was not enough and that I needed to do something too. So I bascially gave them less money. Of course one person is not enough to make a change but what would it really mean to them if I constantly complained on this forum but still gave them all the sub money regardless? Nothing really.

This is why I find it a bit I guess funny to see certain people still posting here all the time even though the game is seemingly dieing and horrible and childish and so much more. Some even have the newest cash shop items too. I guess thats showing SE how bad it truly is.

In the end though Endwalker was really enjoyable for me thus I constantly stay subbed, have bought something from the cash shop again (doggo love) and post a lot of more positive stuff. Its not because I think that Yoshida can do no wrong, its just that I have started to really like the game again.

I enjoyed the story, I love island sancturary, I liked running variant dungeons and doing the beast tribes dailies. I look forward to the new deep dungeon and I do hope that the relic, without a new zone behind it, will be enjoyable for me again. I also liked the new pvp mode. I have done more pvp since its release than I ever did before and I know that with each new malmstone release I will be there grinding for the rewards again, because the content behind it is fun.

So yeah there are people that will agree with your points but there are also a great deal of people that see it different. That liked Variant or the island. That did not feel disappointed by the story.

[vanaii]

People really need to get over the ARR saviour complex they have going for him. Yoshida didn't ask for it, and he rejected the image and expectations it brought upon him. Those years are gone. If people are going to tell others that they cannot use what Yoshida said years ago in LLs and interviews versus what he ended up doing because "oh, the circumstances and mindset's changed", then they need to stop recycling the ARR Saviour excuse.

I'm sorry it's inconvenient to remember the man didn't single-handedly save the game (and likely Square) but them's the ropes. That doesn't get forgotten because you want it to be forgotten. It doesn't get forgotten even if he says he wants it to be forgotten. I have faith he can do it again if it becomes necessary.

I've seen just about every review and reaction available for Endwalker, and they do not share the reactions of the troglodytes on the forums. Even the people that profess hatred of the last boss have the -tiniest- smile when they see the fistfight.

As for PVP, that's never been this game's strength. I'd love to see them turn that around, but it's going to be a herculean task to convince a community of 10 years PVP is suddenly worth doing.

[Midareyukki]

EW knocked it out of the park for the large majority of the playerbase. What's represented here on the forums is the most minuscule minority of the community, and one always prone to complaining about anything. Take a trip around YouTube, or even Reddit (of all places), and for every one person you find here, you'll find dozens of unique people (not the same few posting over and over again) praising EW and celebrating the current state of FFXIV.

Again, EW may have somehow "spent" whatever faith you have for whatever reason, but far and away the general reaction is the complete opposite. The only thing EW has been consistently is praised by most people. Seriously, get out of the pathetic echo chamber of negativity that is this forum and poke around practically any other place on the internet related to FFXIV, and you'll see how overwhelmingly this place does not reflect the general reality.

Has it? As far as I can remember, people weren't this critical about Shadowbringers when it came out.

And as I keep telling you and everyone else, the forums are the only place that technically matters. Twitter? The devs aren't gonna look into that. Reddit? The devs already said they won't look in there, and there are actions against people who criticise the game there. Not to mention how rabid people are the moment you post ANY criticism, even if you do love the game to bits. And given that the devs have said that the forums are the only place they'd sift through for feedback, yes: you'll find more criticisms here than anywhere else.

I'm not under any delusion that we're a majority, but here is where opinions like those will be expressed the most. Not other platforms.

It HASN'T been consistently praised by most people. Define "most people" in terms of those that actually matter. Streamers? People who comment on the game? Where do they comment, in places that matter?

And call me pathetic for pointing out the flaws, I dare you. I at least am not the one ignoring the constant mistakes that they've put out. Mistakes that people, even those outside of these forums, HAVE criticised. Stop being so blind in your daft faith to defend the devs for once and understand what it is you're saying.

Endwalker was praised because there are stuff there TO praise, that's never been put into question. But this expansion, more than any other, has also provided really glaring flaws that HAVE been called out, even outside this "echo chamber", dude!

I'm sorry it's inconvenient to remember the man didn't single-handedly save the game (and likely Square) but them's the ropes. That doesn't get forgotten because you want it to be forgotten. It doesn't get forgotten even if he says he wants it to be forgotten. I have faith he can do it again if it becomes necessary.

??

Where on earth have I said this?

I never said "lol forget", I said "don't ignore what's happening right now just because he did something right in the past".

What, just because I saved someone in the past, that gives me a pass to kill someone now? That's such a freaking joke, I can still point and say "hey, you're not doing things well anymore". And when it happens again and again, and people yell over us that we can't tell him that bc he's our lord and saviour, what do you think is going to happen?

I'm only pointing out the issues that YOU TWO are ignoring.

Otherwise I wouldn't be playing this game. I wouldn't be here if I didn't care for it.

So will you two get off your high horse and read?