What was they thinking when they did variant dungeons and criterion

[Midareyukki]

Here.



You two forgot this.

Because at no point did I say "the devs are idiots, all they do is trash now". I'm saying that Endwalker has been having a lot of glaring issues in its content, far more than any other expansion. It doesn't mean the content itself sucks (some might, not all of it), and what I said was that some of it was polarizing. Meaning I don't have to agree with the dissenters to know that there are people that actually hated stuff like, for example, Endwalker's plot.

Yet you two are clearly unable to read.

You two are saying crap like how I'm disgregarding all the good stuff he's done. When in reality you two just haven't realized that all I did was put up a list of stuff that's been piling up in the past few months that have led to consistent complaining. Stuff that you guys clearly choose to ignore and dismiss.

You want to white knight? Go ahead. I'm out of this conversation, there's zero point in talking to you if that's the avenue you choose to pursue.

[vanaii]

And as I keep telling you and everyone else, the forums are the only place that technically matters.

When I'm convinced the forums couldn't possibly be more myopic

[AwesomeJr44]

And as I keep telling you and everyone else, the forums are the only place that technically matters. Twitter? The devs aren't gonna look into that. Reddit? The devs already said they won't look in there, and there are actions against people who criticise the game there. Not to mention how rabid people are the moment you post ANY criticism, even if you do love the game to bits. And given that the devs have said that the forums are the only place they'd sift through for feedback, yes: you'll find more criticisms here than anywhere else.

^ This. People keep acting like this is a social media website like Twitter or Reddit where we need to be ultra positive all of the time. The purpose of the forums is not the same as the purpose of Reddit or Twitter.

I'm not under any delusion that we're a majority, but here is where opinions like those will be expressed the most. Not other platforms.

You're not the majoritah, that's Striker.

It HASN'T been consistently praised by most people. Define "most people" in terms of those that actually matter.

It's been praised by Striker, and he is the majoritah, thus he is 'most people'.

nd call me pathetic for pointing out the flaws, I dare you. I at least am not the one ignoring the constant mistakes that they've put out. Mistakes that people, even those outside of these forums, HAVE criticised. Stop being so blind in your daft faith to defend the devs for once and understand what it is you're saying.

The most powerful asset of the developers is the fanbase. This fanbase is so fanatical that they worship the developers like gods who can do no wrong. The devs never have to worry about making a mistake as they know that if they do, any criticism will be drowned out by their white knight zealots screaming thanks even when they're fed literal crap.

So will you two get off your high horse and read?

These sorts of people never bother actually reading what you type, asking them to isn't going to get them too.

Because at no point did I say "the devs are idiots, all they do is trash now". I'm saying that Endwalker has been having a lot of glaring issues in its content, far more than any other expansion. It doesn't mean the content itself sucks (some might, not all of it), and what I said was that some of it was polarizing. Meaning I don't have to agree with the dissenters to know that there are people that actually hated stuff like, for example, Endwalker's plot.

Yet you two are clearly unable to read.

You two are saying crap like how I'm disgregarding all the good stuff he's done. When in reality you two just haven't realized that all I did was put up a list of stuff that's been piling up in the past few months that have led to consistent complaining. Stuff that you guys clearly choose to ignore and dismiss.

You want to white knight? Go ahead. I'm out of this conversation, there's zero point in talking to you if that's the avenue you choose to pursue.

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if some of the forum's white knights were paid by Square Enix to do what they do. Sometimes what they say/do is just beyond logic and understanding. Just don't bother with them.

[Alleo]

Has it? As far as I can remember, people weren't this critical about Shadowbringers when it came out.

The forums were. Just like we had a lot of topics when Eureka came out in Stormblood, there were lots of topics in Shadowbringers too. (And we even had the Raubahn savage problem in Stormblood) A huge storm about the gender restricted races (and rightfully so imo), quite a few threads about how we barely get content anymore. Disappointment (but not as much as Eureka) with Bozja. Housing was also always something brought up.

There are many minor things that have been discussed in many expansions. And there are quite a few regular posters here that have bascially declared every recent expansion as their breaking point. They are still here. So yeah I dont think Endwalker is much more controvers than any other expansion. At least on this forum.

Outside of it, it got the praise it always gets. High raitings, awards, favorable articles and a huge amount of positive comments under FF14 videos. I dont remember any huge negative comments under any of the content creators I watched. No, many where emotional about the story, loving certain characters that are hated deeply by some here and more.

The forum can be a indicator. Some of the storms here did represent the situation ingame. People hated the two old Diadems and the content died inside so fast...people really disliked Eureka and the Lucky Bancho showed that only a quite low amount did it at the time it was relevant. And that was with the relic behind it. But that does not mean that everything is that way. Sometimes there are huge threads here that are bascially the same few people talking for hundreds of pages with sometimes new people coming in. That does not indicate the state of the game or the opinion of many players.

Edit: And if we just look at this forum.
The thread about bunny boys as a race had (if I remember it correctly) over 1.000 likes on the OP post. Which means that over a thousand people at least used the forum once to vote for it. The biggest endwalker thread which would be the one with over 700 pages about the bad story had 180 likes in the OP. That is a bit more than 10% of the people voting for bunny boys. In the very same thread just a few posts under the OP we have the one that says that they like the story. This post has nearly double the amount of likes than the OP.

Take from that what you want, just wanted to point that out.

[Atelier-Bagur]

People really need to get over the ARR saviour complex they have going for him. Yoshida didn't ask for it, and he rejected the image and expectations it brought upon him. Those years are gone. If people are going to tell others that they cannot use what Yoshida said years ago in LLs and interviews versus what he ended up doing because "oh, the circumstances and mindset's changed", then they need to stop recycling the ARR Saviour excuse.

Endwalker single-handedly spent the good faith they've established since. Yes, they're human and that means they can make mistakes; every expansion they've made mistakes, but they weren't anything major. And yes, what goes on with the game doesn't only rely on them. But unlike awkward decisions and designs, Endwalker has been consistently divisive. Consistently.
- The release of 6.0 was delayed on such a short notice
- The connectivity issues both in and past Early Access, especially with them blaming it on us rather than admitting they're the ones ill-prepared for the surge of players they got in late SHB
- A plot that satisfied half the fanbase and confounded the other half
- Underwhelming and exploitative PvP
- Hrothgar hairstyles and ears
- Housing being released in the most spectacular failure possible
- Black Mage being buffed in PvP and requiring a dev post just to excuse it, when there's other stuff in the game at the time that garnered their attention and explanation
- New Fat Cat onesie glitched for the race the producer himself plays the most
- Barebones and underwhelming content, from Island Sanctuary to the new Variant and Criterion dungeons
- Growing disconnect between devs and playerbase (from "It's too hard" to do things when it really wasn't to "if you want to heal, play Ultimate")
And many other more minor complaints, especially with the amount of notable glitches that other patches didn't have.

Whether you agree with the intensity of these or not, whether you feel their goodfaith has been lost to you over them or not, that's up to you. But to many people, yes, their goodwill was shot in the knees. And now fans are demanding a bit of effort and responsability from their dev team, and not allow them to be so laissez-faire about a decade-old game that doesn't seek to innovate where it matters.

Just because they did amazing things in the past, it doesn't mean that they're still doing amazing things in the present. Credit where credit is due, but credit doesn't and shouldn't render you blind. He's not a fairy tale hero, nor does he want to be seen as one for any other purpose than marketing. He's a person who did good things but is now slipping up and letting others' slip ups get past. And that needs to be brought to their attention.

Nobody is sitting in their laurels.

[ShinyChariot]

...For example, Endwalker's plot.

Endwalker's plot was pretty sus, but it's just competent and hit enough emotional highs for most people to accept that it was a good story and leave it at that. They're not really going to be thinking about every detail of it, just the highlights, not whether or not it made sense in the long run or was narratively earned. I'm pretty sure if you asked someone like Mauler to break down everything wrong with where the plot went for Endwalker, we'd have a several hour video on our hands. Despite the fact the more I think about it, the more dissatisfied I am, I must concede it did its job and there's not much point in wishing it had been something different, maybe you can hope the writers pick up on some of the feedback and touch up their writing, but after the Lore QnAs and such, I'm just hoping the quality doesn't drop further.


I disagree with the sycophantic defending of the devs and the game itself, but I also disagree with the angry mob energy from the posts criticizing things like the EW server issues which were due to a lack of semiconductors which is an acceptable reason for this sort of issue, and it wasn't even that bad at launch. Most people who are used to launch dates are used to that sort of thing.

I also find it funny people talk about Yoshi P like he's sitting in the office late at night programming Viera hats on his computer. He's the producer, has people working under him, and he's working on other projects and responsibilities. He's not reading every single line of code that's going into the game. The people working on the game are people and while they might find something wrong and find a solution to the issue (which is a laborious task itself), sometimes they might not know what's wrong with something until it's out there and the players see it. They're most likely trying their best but sometimes coming short of expectations, and I mean, who here doesn't empathize with that? Overall we have many things to be thankful for, and this isn't me white knighting the game or the devs, I'm just saying "Shit happens" and the team is treating us very graciously despite not hitting every mark. We shouldn't be posting criticism in a pitchfork and torches tone because that just sets up the other demographic of players to go to war instead of having a discussion. I think we all have a responsibility to approach things in good faith. If you have criticism, state the criticism, but don't slather it in a coat of "You're an incompetent dev team" because that's toxic af. I'm very sure the validation of fans is something the devs desire the most, but if people start tacking on "You're hurting your own game" and "You're disrespecting the fans by not being perfect" to the criticism, be it true or not (and it's not), they're being extremely counterproductive and abrasive. It's not necessary at all.

Like it or not, it's a constant dance of things going wrong or being unsatisfying for the players and the dev team finding the best ways to implement things while juggling everything else they need to do going forward.

[Kes13a]

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if some of the forum's white knights were paid by Square Enix to do what they do. Sometimes what they say/do is just beyond logic and understanding. Just don't bother with them.

here we go, how about this then..

I wouldnt be surprised if the people "hating" on everything because "they care more than anyone else" are paid by Blizzard to try and submarine their competition. Sometimes what they say makes me wonder if they play the same game.

I figure that statement is about as true as yours. if you complain because "you care" they defend because "they care"

I doubt ANY of this is a competition to figure out who cares more. no matter what side of the coin you are looking at, if you are still subscribing to the game... you are endorsing the product. period. if the game isnt ringing your bell, if it is going in the wrong direction, whatever is making you upset, if you are paying... they...wont.. stop. no, I am not telling you to leave, what I am saying is if you dont like something, stop paying for it. I stopped liking Wow's direction and finally watched someone that made perfect sense "they stopped earning my money". I realized that was very true and unsubbed. so, if FFxiv has stopped earning YOUR money, the best thing you can do for YOURSELF.. is stop giving it to them. you will feel much better than your constant anger about something you cannot change.

[Deveryn]

Don't you people get tired of doing this shit every time?

[DPZ2]

I was both stunned and underwhelmed when I saw the state of the rewards for Variant/Criterion dungeons. I was even more shocked that there were some who defended this "because its something new they're trying" as if that was any sort of acceptable excuse.

This must be corrected with all haste, even adding crafting mats to the rewards in a hotfix or 6.28 would be preferable to leaving this content to rot until 6.45.

The reason: Diadem 1.0

That's all you need to know.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Don't you people get tired of doing this shit every time?

its part of the forum culture.