What was they thinking when they did variant dungeons and criterion

[aveyond-dreams]

Yeah, I'll keep defending Yoshi. The man's run a solid ship for a decade, done the impossible, and stands a good chance of doing the impossible again. Even if he's made a misstep here and there, that doesn't negate what he's done right.

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

[vanaii]

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

Players are going to be upset no matter what he does, and the worst thing he can possibly do is allow forum riots to dictate changes -- especially when the content you've listed as "missteps" are not missteps. Allowing the riot to dictate design is exactly how you end up with a fear-adverse design by committee.

I don't particularly care if you like or don't like anything he's tried; I'm just thrilled he's willing to try new things rather than stick with the same predictable stuff everyone eise is doing. Maybe that doesn't work for you -- and it really doesn't matter if it does -- but I'm not going to ignore what the man did because it's suddenly cool to smear him.

I'm looking forward to what comes next, even though circumstances around Endwalker made me sick. I don't know what else to say.

[Midareyukki]

Yeah, I'll keep defending Yoshi. The man's run a solid ship for a decade, done the impossible, and stands a good chance of doing the impossible again. Even if he's made a misstep here and there, that doesn't negate what he's done right.

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

People really need to get over the ARR saviour complex they have going for him. Yoshida didn't ask for it, and he rejected the image and expectations it brought upon him. Those years are gone. If people are going to tell others that they cannot use what Yoshida said years ago in LLs and interviews versus what he ended up doing because "oh, the circumstances and mindset's changed", then they need to stop recycling the ARR Saviour excuse.

Endwalker single-handedly spent the good faith they've established since. Yes, they're human and that means they can make mistakes; every expansion they've made mistakes, but they weren't anything major. And yes, what goes on with the game doesn't only rely on them. But unlike awkward decisions and designs, Endwalker has been consistently divisive. Consistently.
- The release of 6.0 was delayed on such a short notice
- The connectivity issues both in and past Early Access, especially with them blaming it on us rather than admitting they're the ones ill-prepared for the surge of players they got in late SHB
- A plot that satisfied half the fanbase and confounded the other half
- Underwhelming and exploitative PvP
- Hrothgar hairstyles and ears
- Housing being released in the most spectacular failure possible
- Black Mage being buffed in PvP and requiring a dev post just to excuse it, when there's other stuff in the game at the time that garnered their attention and explanation
- New Fat Cat onesie glitched for the race the producer himself plays the most
- Barebones and underwhelming content, from Island Sanctuary to the new Variant and Criterion dungeons
- Growing disconnect between devs and playerbase (from "It's too hard" to do things when it really wasn't to "if you want to heal, play Ultimate")
And many other more minor complaints, especially with the amount of notable glitches that other patches didn't have.

Whether you agree with the intensity of these or not, whether you feel their goodfaith has been lost to you over them or not, that's up to you. But to many people, yes, their goodwill was shot in the knees. And now fans are demanding a bit of effort and responsability from their dev team, and not allow them to be so laissez-faire about a decade-old game that doesn't seek to innovate where it matters.

Just because they did amazing things in the past, it doesn't mean that they're still doing amazing things in the present. Credit where credit is due, but credit doesn't and shouldn't render you blind. He's not a fairy tale hero, nor does he want to be seen as one for any other purpose than marketing. He's a person who did good things but is now slipping up and letting others' slip ups get past. And that needs to be brought to their attention.

[DPZ2]

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

There is exactly one thing to do when your decade's worth of goodwill has been destroyed: Burn it all down to the ground. Salt the earth. Leave no prisoners.

You're doing a great job there.

[VelKallor]

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill

Im sorry to hear that. Maybe take a break for a while?

. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team

What "groups", aside from yourself, you dont speak for anyone else..and Im actually surprised you still cling to this odd notion

You dont speak for NA, OCE, EU, SG, SEA..so who are these "groups" you allude to? The less than 150 or so people who post here arent representative of anything or anyone either.

[Ransu]

I'm going to cackle if they tie the relic to running this repeatedly. There's your longevity.

They said relic grind would be similar to ARR/HW, but ya I wouldn't be surprised if the new dungeons played heavily into the relic grind and honestly I'd be ok with that.

Over the past 10 months he's destroyed a decade's worth of my goodwill. I was one of this game's biggest fans prior to Endwalker and now "missteps here and there" have become one after the other, combined with all the other baggage like limited jobs and the limited races that caused their own controversies. I'm through with defending or excusing his actions. He needs a reality check, which he would've gotten if any of the clear and direct feedback left on here by the groups of players he's upset with his decisions ever made it to the dev team.

You don't even have a level 90. The door is over there, help yourself out of it.

[Jeeqbit]

I mean sure, they could add more rewards, why not. Crafting material, aetheryte tickets, maybe tomestone gear upgrades in 6.3?

But it's very normal for them to add a mount reward to everything to motivate people to do it. They do it for extreme, savage, blue mage raiding, hunting, fate grinding, leveling all jobs, doing pvp, collecting triple triad cards, doing lots of crafting in the firmament, island sanctuary and I could go on but every major content they add they usually put a mount there to make sure people who would otherwise ignore it try it out.

[magitekLuna]

I mean sure, they could add more rewards, why not. Crafting material, aetheryte tickets, maybe tomestone gear upgrades in 6.3?

But it's very normal for them to add a mount reward to everything to motivate people to do it. They do it for extreme, savage, blue mage raiding, hunting, fate grinding, leveling all jobs, doing pvp, collecting triple triad cards, doing lots of crafting in the firmament, island sanctuary and I could go on but every major content they add they usually put a mount there to make sure people who would otherwise ignore it try it out.

and so far it FAILED hard core. what % even care to run harder content in this game when all you get is a mount.

considering they added a whole new menu for it I doubt Variants and Criterions are gonna stop with this one, and they'll likely add more rewards with each one

it is kinda lame that you can't get much from it currently but that's honestly fine with me, the experience of figuring out the puzzles for some of the records (especially 12) was absolutely worth it even if all I got was the rat mount

point me to the ONE content they did add more reword to over time. i hope they will but its SE. look at the first and second deep dungeon. the second got way less things you can get from it.

[SylvAlternate]

and so far it FAILED hard core. what % even care to run harder content in this game when all you get is a mount.

I mean, I would be much more interested in trying out ultimates if I got a cool mount from it rather than a weapon which doesn't work with any glam whatsoever

[Atelier-Bagur]

Also I do feel like they're testing the waters out first with this content in its base release. I'm pretty sure they'll give us an update come next LL regarding the rewards system based on feedback and they do probably have ideas to tie relics or add in some form of gear progression.